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StephenB. VIP
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| The United States has always had a close relationship with Great Britain, then and now. King George III was insane and he was not in his right mind trying to run colonies across the Atlantic Ocean. The colonists didn't want to break away from England in the beginning, however, being taxed and being treated like second class British citizens they had no other choice, but to revolt. Nevertheless, there were many Loyalists who stayed and many who went back to England or ran into Canada. We proved to Great Britain that we were self reliant people who didn't need a monarch to run the colonies. However, we shared a language, families, religion (Anglican) and we traded commerce. So we have always had good ties with England many years after the Revolution..well the War of 1812 showed the world that we were not to be messed with. |
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krasatulya VIP
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| Crabman wrote: | | raptor10 wrote: |
The declaration of independence is only partially about how a government is supposed to operate, the Declaration of Independence was a document telling King Henry to F#$% Off, ... |
Who was this King Henry guy? |
I'm glad you asked, because I was stumped by that, too  |
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Paul-Holmes Lounge Wizard
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War of 1812, you invaded Canada with superior numbers and got chased back thanks to Issac Brock leadership. It was the US that was opportuniistic to fight the UK when it was in war with Napoleon. You burnt down York(Toronto), we burnt down Washington . Read up about the Whitehouse and why it is White. If it was not for Issac Brock and bravery of many Canadians, Canada would another state. If it was not for the death of Issac Brock and inept planning of the British and bravery of Americans , the US would have been recaptured. It is amazing how history can be changed by one bullet or musketball.
War of 1812 finallise the borders. It was neither a victory nor defeat for the Americans. |
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StephenB. VIP
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| True, we (U.S.) were losing in the beginning of the war. White House was taken over and burned.However, it was the U.S. naval victory on Lake Erie and a military victory led by Andrew Jackson at New Orleans that ended the war. No one gained any land or money from this war, however, Great Britain ended its much resented policy of stopping American ships and seizing their cargoes. The United States emerged from this war as a respected member of the community of nations. |
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mister_wizzz VIP
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| StephenB. wrote: | | True, we (U.S.) were losing in the beginning of the war. White House was taken over and burned.However, it was the U.S. naval victory on Lake Erie and a military victory led by Andrew Jackson at New Orleans that ended the war. No one gained any land or money from this war, however, Great Britain ended its much resented policy of stopping American ships and seizing their cargoes. The United States emerged from this war as a respected member of the community of nations. |
Andrew Jackson can thank the French boucaneer Jean Lafitte...
Without him he would have been crunched by the Brits. |
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mister_wizzz VIP
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One more thing : Happy New Year !  |
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StephenB. VIP
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| mister_wizzz wrote: | | StephenB. wrote: | | True, we (U.S.) were losing in the beginning of the war. White House was taken over and burned.However, it was the U.S. naval victory on Lake Erie and a military victory led by Andrew Jackson at New Orleans that ended the war. No one gained any land or money from this war, however, Great Britain ended its much resented policy of stopping American ships and seizing their cargoes. The United States emerged from this war as a respected member of the community of nations. |
Andrew Jackson can thank the French boucaneer Jean Lafitte...
Without him he would have been crunched by the Brits. |
No, we can thank the American troops who fought the war, not Jean Lafitte. It appears everyone wants a piece of the pie. Yes and we like to thank Napoleon for selling us the Louisiana Purchase. LOL  |
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mister_wizzz VIP
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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| StephenB. wrote: | | mister_wizzz wrote: | | StephenB. wrote: | | True, we (U.S.) were losing in the beginning of the war. White House was taken over and burned.However, it was the U.S. naval victory on Lake Erie and a military victory led by Andrew Jackson at New Orleans that ended the war. No one gained any land or money from this war, however, Great Britain ended its much resented policy of stopping American ships and seizing their cargoes. The United States emerged from this war as a respected member of the community of nations. |
Andrew Jackson can thank the French boucaneer Jean Lafitte...
Without him he would have been crunched by the Brits. |
No, we can thank the American troops who fought the war, not Jean Lafitte. It appears everyone wants a piece of the pie. Yes and we like to thank Napoleon for selling us the Louisiana Purchase. LOL  |
Actually on this particular battle Jackson can thank Jean Laffite :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Lafitte
But like you say, everybody wanted a piece of the pie and Lafitte did it probably to protect his business.
About Louisiana, I am not sure USA did a good deal... LOL |
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StephenB. VIP
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Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2008 11:31 pm Post subject: |
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| mister_wizzz wrote: | | StephenB. wrote: | | mister_wizzz wrote: | | StephenB. wrote: | | True, we (U.S.) were losing in the beginning of the war. White House was taken over and burned.However, it was the U.S. naval victory on Lake Erie and a military victory led by Andrew Jackson at New Orleans that ended the war. No one gained any land or money from this war, however, Great Britain ended its much resented policy of stopping American ships and seizing their cargoes. The United States emerged from this war as a respected member of the community of nations. |
Andrew Jackson can thank the French boucaneer Jean Lafitte...
Without him he would have been crunched by the Brits. |
No, we can thank the American troops who fought the war, not Jean Lafitte. It appears everyone wants a piece of the pie. Yes and we like to thank Napoleon for selling us the Louisiana Purchase. LOL  |
Actually on this particular battle Jackson can thank Jean Laffite :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Lafitte
But like you say, everybody wanted a piece of the pie and Lafitte did it probably to protect his business.
About Louisiana, I am not sure USA did a good deal... LOL |
It doesn't matter who led what army and where etc...The fact is, it was the many Americans and British soldiers that lost their lives fighting these battles. It was a good deal for us to have the Louisiana Purchase and Louisiana today does need some help with its infrastructure; overall, Louisiana was important factor because it gave us more freedom to ship our cargoes full of goods on the Mississippi River. Prior to that Spain and France had control. |
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gomer WayToRussified
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If you mention a war in 1812 to a Russian man or woman and you do not say "American War of 1812", the Russian might think you are referring to their "Patriotic War" when Napoleon invaded Russia in 1812.
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StephenB. VIP
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| That's true Gomer...can get confusing..lol |
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yorbcbud Lounge Wizard
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| StephenB. wrote: | | That's true Gomer...can get confusing..lol |
Yeah, especially in a thread called "Russian Women"  |
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gomer WayToRussified
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| gomer wrote: | | If you mention a war in 1812 to a Russian man or woman and you do not say "American War of 1812", the Russian might think you are referring to their "Patriotic War" when Napoleon invaded Russia in 1812. |
I was discussing Russian history with a female Muscovite, when a war in the year 1812 was mentioned. She told me about the Russian war and I told her about the American war. |
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StephenB. VIP
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| gomer wrote: | | gomer wrote: | | If you mention a war in 1812 to a Russian man or woman and you do not say "American War of 1812", the Russian might think you are referring to their "Patriotic War" when Napoleon invaded Russia in 1812. |
I was discussing Russian history with a female Muscovite, when a war in the year 1812 was mentioned. She told me about the Russian war and I told her about the American war. |
Gomer you don't have to explain to BC, he's a trouble-maker, it's been quiet and he's just looking to get into an arguement.  |
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yorbcbud Lounge Wizard
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| StephenB. wrote: | | gomer wrote: | | gomer wrote: | | If you mention a war in 1812 to a Russian man or woman and you do not say "American War of 1812", the Russian might think you are referring to their "Patriotic War" when Napoleon invaded Russia in 1812. |
I was discussing Russian history with a female Muscovite, when a war in the year 1812 was mentioned. She told me about the Russian war and I told her about the American war. |
Gomer you don't have to explain to BC, he's a trouble-maker, it's been quiet and he's just looking to get into an arguement.  |
I don't think he was talking to me, Stevie. That comprehension thing is still eluding you, I see. It is, however, on par with your spelling skills. I understand Gomer just fine, thanks. It's yours, and James' gibberish, that I find confusing.  |
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