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xxatti
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 Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 2:07 am Post subject: Another racism thread.... |
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Ok, I know the racism topic has been beat to death here… but I was involved in a discussion on another forum just the other day about how people felt that Russians were all "racists" and had negative views of black people... and particularly how Russians look down upon anyone who would be romantically involved with a black person, that you would never see a Russian dating a black person in Russia, etc.
Here are some quotes of what people were saying…
| Quote: | | Some Russian girls, just like other white girls, will sleep with black guys, but not many of them will tell their coworkers, friends, or family that they do. People in Russia tend to look down on girls who sleep with coloured foreign guys. |
| Quote: | | Yes, I actually lived in both Russia and Ukraine and I can tell you that THE PEOPLE THERE - ESPECIALLY THE WOMEN - DO NOT LIKE BLACK MEN. Also, do you know what Russian and Ukrainian guys would do to a black if they saw him talking to one of their women?? They would give him an immediate beat down. The Russian and Ukrainian guys are not sheepish and meek when it comes to protecting their women. When I talked to Russian and Ukrainian women they often refer to blacks in very racist terms. |
Now, I was trying to give evidence that this is not necessarily true, and that Russians do get romantically involved with black people (in Russia) … but it seemed as though I was in the minority and that everyone believed strongly in the “racist” views of Russian people. So, I wanted to get an unbiased point of view from the people here on this topic, because I honestly have a hard time believing some of the things that were mentioned in that discussion. |
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Ender
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| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 10:08 am Post subject: Re: Another racism thread.... |
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| xxatti wrote: | | Ok, I know the racism topic has been beat to death here… but I was involved in a discussion on another forum just the other day about how people felt that Russians were all "racists" and had negative views of black people... |
It depends on forum. You can find, for example, forums where Georgians are shitting toward Russia 100% of their time because of recent events. There are Russian forums where Russian idiots throw dirt to another countries or nations. It doesn't mean they are right or worth to be heard. Neither is useful for reading.
| xxatti wrote: | | and particularly how Russians look down upon anyone who would be romantically involved with a black person, that you would never see a Russian dating a black person in Russia, etc. |
What do you mean under term "black person"? Is it a negro? Is it a gypsy? Is it a person from southern country like Tajikistan. They are all have dark skin. Is it an assimilated person (born and/or grown in Russia) or it is a person born and grown in other country? |
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xxatti
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| Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2009 7:48 pm Post subject: Re: Another racism thread.... |
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| Ender wrote: |
What do you mean under term "black person"? Is it a negro? Is it a gypsy? Is it a person from southern country like Tajikistan. They are all have dark skin. Is it an assimilated person (born and/or grown in Russia) or it is a person born and grown in other country? |
They were referring to people of African decent. These would most likely be foreigners visiting/living in Russia. |
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Paul-Holmes
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Interesting that Russia getting beating up on this topic and about 50 years ago, Americans were still lynching them and Africans were part of the USA for 300 years. Just Afghanistan, it took Americans over 150 years to women a right to vote, but they think that Afghanistan should change over night. Racism and Sexism takes time to over come and cannot be legislated.
It takes time to be metropolitan country and Moscow and other large cities are becoming this. The changes that have happened is incredible, but the west keeps on knocking them down. |
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Pushkinsoul
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| I read about the African-American student who was stabbed in Volgograd. As a African-American I grew concerned since I read many stories of skinheads in Russia murdering Blacks with impunity. |
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Avis
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Hello everyone,
i would like to offer my opinion as being both russian and female 
i will focus on african guys only as trying to describe our attitude to the whole "palette" would take too much time and would not be reasonable to put on the pages.
And of course it's still just my opinion, as considering the whole nation is not quite correct and polite.
As grown in a huge country with very few africans met in my life i assume that it would be rather unusual for me (and my friends) to head in romantic relations with them. This neither means we are racists nor great patriots of russian men. No.
The answer is obvious in my opinion, there are too few africans in our country in general, even counting foreign students, but mostly taking in consideration that it IS really a nonsense to meet any in Siberia, Urals, Far East.
So no wonder russian girls are pretty suspicious about african guys as well as their families.
But this does not mean I will treat an african badly if I meet one, I guess I would be quieter in the presence of him or her and trying to get accustomed ti his or her unusual skin color.
It's just about .. kinda habit. Remember we are mostly Caucasian (white).
That's it.
Surely there are some freaks (sorry) who treat those people awfully, but this does not mean the whole nation does. |
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Paul-Holmes
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I met Canadian who never saw a black man in his life. He worked with him and asked to touch his arm to see if his skin felt different. This man was born on a farm and never lived in a big city.
If you look at some of the stupid questions asked to Russians that are based on stereotypes, you can see that we need to be more familiar with each other and have an open mind.
I guess that is why we are on this forum. |
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xxatti
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| Avis wrote: | Hello everyone,
i would like to offer my opinion as being both russian and female
i will focus on african guys only as trying to describe our attitude to the whole "palette" would take too much time and would not be reasonable to put on the pages.
And of course it's still just my opinion, as considering the whole nation is not quite correct and polite.
As grown in a huge country with very few africans met in my life i assume that it would be rather unusual for me (and my friends) to head in romantic relations with them. This neither means we are racists nor great patriots of russian men. No.
The answer is obvious in my opinion, there are too few africans in our country in general, even counting foreign students, but mostly taking in consideration that it IS really a nonsense to meet any in Siberia, Urals, Far East.
So no wonder russian girls are pretty suspicious about african guys as well as their families.
But this does not mean I will treat an african badly if I meet one, I guess I would be quieter in the presence of him or her and trying to get accustomed ti his or her unusual skin color.
It's just about .. kinda habit. Remember we are mostly Caucasian (white).
That's it.
Surely there are some freaks (sorry) who treat those people awfully, but this does not mean the whole nation does. |
Ok, so we know there are very few African guys in Russia, thus the chances of you meeting African guys and being able to socialize with them is slim. However, the question I'd like you to answer is... Would you have any reservations about dating/being romantically involved with an African guy if the opportunity presented itself? |
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Ender
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:19 am Post subject: |
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| Paul Holmes wrote: | | Interesting that Russia getting beating up on this topic and about 50 years ago,... |
There were Soviet times. Soviet government opressed any kind of racial and national discrimination with iron hand. It promoted friendship and equality between nations. Every child every day was taught about equality and peace between nations and races. Best girls and guys were gathered in three international pioneer camps - "Artek" (don't know translation to English), "Orlenok" (Eaglet), "Drughba" (Friendship. I was there). It was honor to go to one of these camps. They had to meet each other and know each other. Now there is no Soviets, no promotion... instead of this we have wars and disputes with other countries. 
I was in the Drughba in the 87. The end of Soviet Union was close but we didn't know about it. It is interesting but now I can recognise small evidences of growing Ukrainian nationalism. There were lessions of Russian and Ukrainian. We (mixed crowd of children from the all corners of Soviet Union) thought that we had to study both languages but teacher of Ukrainian told us: "You Russians aren't allowed to study our language". I was surprised why so much venom in her voice. After lessions our Ukrainian camrades said that she said many other unpleasant things about Russians. They were very surprised about it.
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Ender
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| Posted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:52 am Post subject: Re: Another racism thread.... |
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| xxatti wrote: | | They were referring to people of African decent. These would most likely be foreigners visiting/living in Russia. |
I don't see any problem with negros. I can remember my first meeting with an african woman in Odessa. She was black as coal and she was wearing snow-white dress. It was amasing. I asked to touch her, she smiled and agreed. I thought my finger would be sooty but it wasn't.
It is difficult to say for all russians but once in cafe I have overheard girls discussion about black men. As far as I have understood:
1. They have never seen them alive. Only on TV. Some have seen them in the night clubs as dancers. For the previous 5 years I think I have seen personally 3 black men in Moscow and one black woman here at Ural. Heck, there are many more gays in Russia than negros.
2. All their knowledge about negros comes from Hollywood movies and porn.  Of course they suspect that black men have little or no difference from white men except for skin color.
3. Some of them find negros not good looking/not beautiful...
yes because they are black and they look differently from their own standard of man's beauty. Read here "not like Brad Pitt/Sean Connery/Alexander Buharov - Wolfhound http://www.volkodaw.ru/site/main.html?lang=en / me - the guy who is currently paying for their coffee, ice-cream and/or champagne etc "
| My wife after 'Troy' movie wrote: | | Oh! There were so many beautiful cool men and all were slain. What a pity! |
...but some find them interesting and worth to try.
4. Almost all of them (but not all) very sceptical about idea to marry a negro or build long lasting romantic relationship because they don't like idea of place and culture change. I guess there is difference between negro from Africa and negro from Europe for them.
5. There is no hate or bad attitude. There is curiosity mixed with lack of confidence. They just don't know/don't have personal expirience what are negros like.
P.S. In the city where I born there are two negros and ~170 thousands of people european and asian descent. Both of them are married russian girls and live in Russia.
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Ender
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| Avis wrote: | But this does not mean I will treat an african badly if I meet one, I guess I would be quieter in the presence of him or her and trying to get accustomed ti his or her unusual skin color.
It's just about .. kinda habit. Remember we are mostly Caucasian (white). That's it. |
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Avis
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| xxatti wrote: | | However, the question I'd like you to answer is... Would you have any reservations about dating/being romantically involved with an African guy if the opportunity presented itself? |
well.. never say never as wise people say
heaven only knows what tomorrow brings
there are more and more mixed couples in the world nowdays so i don't actually see any problem in it.
i guess if love comes to your heart it won't ask you whether you're ready or not |
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bunker6
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Oh holy crap.
No racism in Russia. No problems with black people. If you are black — girls will sleep with you no problem. BTW there are widespread urban myths about black guys being given a bit more natural wealth than white guys which will make the girls around you even more crazy.
If you are black, walking in the street you WILL turn heads. But not because they all want to kill you, you just look strange to the place because no black population in Russia (0.001% Africans probably, most in major cities). Again, this is not because of any sort of nationalism but because Russia never had black slavery.
STILL if you are an idiot - you can always find a place to get in trouble. |
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