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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 3:49 am    Post subject: Itinerary Help Reply with quote

I want to start a journey to Mongolia staring from Vladimir. There are a number of places I would like to stop but am finding that the train schedule almost dictates where and when you can stop.

I would like to go from Vladimir to Kazan and have not found the best train schedule. Can you please advise or make suggestions.

Thanks

Jerry
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romdur
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 10:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've made some investigation of your question -- it's been a good education for me!

To begin, by Vladimir you mean the Golden Ring town east of Moscow? (There are a couple of other places that have Vladimir in their name). I've visited a couple of times, I like it very much.

My knowledge of the rail lines is primitive, but here is how I understand the situation:

Although Vladimir is almost on a straight line from Moscow to Kazan ... the trains don't go straight! So unfortunately, the shortest rail route from Vladimir to Kazan is to start out in the wrong direction to Moscow, and from Moscow catch a train to Kazan.

The Kazan trains leave (logically enough!) from Kazansky station. For a randomly chosen date I checked, you could travel in the middle of the night from Vladimir to Moscow, arriving at Kazansky station, and wait a few hours to get the Kazan train ... or for more convenient times, take a morning train to Kursky station in Moscow, and get by taxi or subway to Kazansky station.

In theory, you could also make a vastly longer (but perhaps more scenic) detour by travelling from Vladimir all the way to Ekaterinburg, and then doubling back from from there to Kazan. This would be a hell of trip -- a ride of about 24 hours, followed by about 14 more on the next leg -- and cross the Urals twice!

But you'll end up visiting or passing through Ekaterinburg in any case, on your way to Mongolia.

I hope this helps a little!

If you can read (and type) Russian, rzd.ru (the official Russian railway site) and tutu.ru (an independent site that is way cool) will be great resources for you.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 16, 2010 11:07 pm    Post subject: Trans Siberian East from Vladimir Reply with quote

Romdur - thanks for your reply and for taking the time to research my question. I really do not want to return to Moscow, so my new question is what trains are available from Vladimir? what are the train numbers and what is the best place to obtain schedules for the eastbound trains from Vladimir.

Thanks

Jerry
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romdur
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, I managed to find an actual railway map (the first one I have seen, it is very cool). So now I can see how the lines connect:

You can take a train from Vladimir to Nizhny Novgorod, and from that station catch a train to Kazan! After Kazan, you could make your way to Ekaterinburg, and pick up the route to Mongolia...

For a randomly chosen Monday (6 December), I found:

Train 172 leaves Vladimir 08:33, arrives to Nizhny Novgorod Moskosvky Station 10:40; then train 815 leaves Nizhny Novgorod 15:45, arrives to Kazan 23:03.

There's also a later combination, that gets you to Kazan the next morning: train 018 leaves Vladimir 16:43, arrives Nizh. Novgorod 19:46; then train 041 leaves 21:15, arrives to Kazan 06:19.

I found these on tutu.ru!
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:47 am    Post subject: Trans Siberian East from Vladimir Reply with quote

Thanks again Can you direct me to the source of the rail map you described?

I've gone to tutu site you mentioned and found it quite good (lots of cut and pasting on the translations) and have found much of what you stated. However, I do have a question, when I display the schedule from Nizh Novograd to Kazan I see both train 815 and 41 but the hyperlink for 4a does not work. Do you know what that means? Is it just a broken hyperlink or is it one of those trains that does not allow passenger boarding at this station?

Jerry
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romdur
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think that the lack of a link, has any importance. It seems to mean only that tutu doesn't have that train's timetable listed, for whatever reason.

I tried running the same search on rzd.ru, and within a minute had the timetable for 041, no problem.

OK, the map:

parovoz dot com slash maps slash supermap slash index-e dot html

(website doesn't permit link in posts)
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krskru
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 20, 2010 7:49 pm    Post subject: Greetings from Siberia Reply with quote

Please, visit my site. All links it is my video. Open my profile
Explore link in the top of the sites page (spring summer autumn winter).
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krskru
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 9:15 am    Post subject: Greetings from Siberia Reply with quote

in Kazan , my friend live . Speak English male 35. I can send his skype
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