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VictoR-Tdot
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| Maybe if they didn't censor the only channel that supports Yuschenko (not sure of spelling) in the east he would have a little more luck there. |
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Mogsfan
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| Quote: | | Okay what about Romanian Elections? Why is the west not crying about them? Why is the focus on Ukraine and not both corrupted elections? |
I think this question was already answered but I just wanted to add that I think it's because it was originally thought or more or less hoped that Russia was "reforming" or letting go of their traditional totalitiarian ways and meddling with former Soviet states.
Romania, on the other hand, is thought to be 'another' country experiencing corruption problems during elections. Ukraine is one of the countries which is supposed to be desiring democratic principles (so is Russia) but with this election, the apparent lack of these requirements, is even more exposed. These are among just some of the points to justify harping on about the election in Ukraine moreso than Romania. The idea that Russia pursued significant influence in another country's election and that apparent direct influence (to a fomer Soviet part) and its ramifications justified the lowered importance towards the issue of corruption in Romania's election. Just a thought.
| Quote: | | Maybe if they didn't censor the only channel that supports Yuschenko (not sure of spelling) in the east he would have a little more luck there. |
Even if both candidates were evil or corrupt or whatever, how can one reasonably assess either if there are specific media censors and elaborate election fraud? If there is such elablorate interference and fraud in the election, a voter surely can't asess the two candidates without all possible sources of information at their disposal. That state of affairs prevents any chance of democracy existing - in any form whatsoever.
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Mogsfan
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vettra
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:05 am Post subject: Re: This is a choice between bad man and very bad man. |
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| 36_CKOTUHOK wrote: | | I think the only way to save Ukraine is to divide it and make Yanukovich to govern eastern part, while Yshenko is to govern Western part. |
>> Civil war is too catastrophic.
Skotinok36 and Dan23 are incorrect. Ukraine will not face "civil war".
There is no friction between east and west Ukraine. Sure Lvov historically has the бендери but even there they speak loads of Russian, and almost all people thatspeak just Ukrainian have a Russian accent. American press was way wrong. The fact is Yankovich is a rapist and a murderer. He is the quintessential "russian mafia" thug. 50,000,000 people don't want such a person as their leader. I did run into a taxi driver who told me he'd vote for him, because Yankovich would preserve stability, whereis he feared Yuschenko could plunge Ukraine into economic catastrophy by experimenting. Yuschenko is not a mafioso thug, this is such a radical change that some people fear the unknown. All others in my sample set: Yuschenko, 100%.
>> First, Oil
There is no oil produced in Ukraine. Hence Dr Fauste is wrong, too. Coal comes from the Donetsk region but the mining efficiency there has been so low since the 90's it is barely worthwhile.
The American media hype focus on Putin was pure rubbish.
American TV coverage - 100% B.S.
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init6
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 4:54 am Post subject: |
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Dude, this is WAY over. I just watched 'Up Close' (Canadian show) tonight regarding the wave of non-violent revolutions in Eastern Europe and how Belarus, Kazakhstan and Russian "could be next." I don't see Russia having a velvet revolution anytime soon, but Belarus is a likely target. George Soros is already pouring money into their opposition parties.
Anyhow, Ukraine is completely stable again, so why the topic resurrection? |
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vettra
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2005 7:05 am Post subject: Belarus? Kazakstan? |
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| I just noticed he time stamps for the postings. Live & learn. Anyway I thought Belarus was stable, all-pro-Russia, Lukoshenko's personal playground. What's going on there? |
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