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AliceFromMoscow
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About army - our army is dangerous when a rooster pecks us in the ass.
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waytorussia
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Politics and economics -- there are as many opinions as there are people. So, I don't know if you can get a definite answer from anybody. I will try to answer this question from the practical point of view.
I agree with RussianBoy that Russia is a great place to live in. For example, a very high percentage of families own their own apartments / houses. It was given to them during the Soviet times and the beginning of 90s, so not as many people as in the west are burdened with high rents etc.
Also, however, strange it might sound, Russia is one of the most democratic and free countries in the world. Yes, it still has something of a police state in a way, but then I think people feel much more free in terms of what they can do and when. There are regulations, yes, but they are very flexible. It concerns everything: from public life to making a business. You start feeling it when you try to live here for a long time.
For example, it's very hard for a foreigner to open a bank account in EU, while in Russia any foreigner can do it in a few minutes (provided you can speak Russian or there's somebody who speaks English).
You don't have to think that if you offend someone in Russia you will get sued. While there is a law about that, people feel free to express what they feel about each other freely, and to me that is much better, because it allows for direct communication. Example: one of my friends from Germany was driving his truck in Germany once, and there was a guy who cut his way, so my friend, being a very impulsive person, showed a finger (told to f* off) to this guy. In about two weeks he received a court order. That is crazy to me. In Russia if you're not happy with something, you can show your finger, tell somebody to f* off and then it's up to this person what he wants to do to you personally. You won't receive any court orders or bills, you will have to deal with everything directly. Some people might not like this directness, I do, even if I'm the one who is being told off.
People in Russia know what business is about. Many shops in every city, town, and even the smallest village are opened 24 hours. And we're not talking about gas stations here, but real shops that sell food, clothes, there are even a few 24-hour mobile phone shops in Moscow or a couple of 24-hour music stores on Nevsky Prospekt in St. Petersburg.
When I'm working at 5 in the morning, I know I can come out of the office, walk about 5 minutes to the restaurant and have a nice nourishing Ukrainian meal in the nearby Korchma restaurant. At 5 am! I know that I can go shopping when I really have free time: on Sunday. In the former USSR or most of the European countries I wouldn't be able to do that.
There are a lot of places where the latest modern technology is utilized: talking about banks again, Guta Bank has one of the most advanced online banking systems I ever seen: no other bank abroad offers such range of services and such flexibility in terms of what can be done online. We also have many business solutions that are already implemented at Russian companies, as well as a very well developed telecom market. While it's a worldwide trend it's especially hard to imagine for Russia.
Talking about bribes, again, that is very controversial. While many people complain about bribery, ask any driver what he prefers: to pay 100R ($3) to the traffic inspector for driving 10km/hour faster, or having his driving license taken away, having to go to court, stand in long queues, and then pay 10 times more? Or ask any mother whether she prefers her 18-year old son to go and fight in the war against Chechnya, or pay $3000 and secure him a place in a university, from where he can't be taken to the army? When it comes to personal matters people change their beliefs quite fast.
In terms of business, a lot has changed. The taxes are still high, there are unfair regulations, yes. But, still, now it's already possible to do business and to pay 100% of the taxes you should without risking to go bankrupt. In fact, in Russia you pay 20% on your profits and less than 30% on employees salary, which is comparable with the rest of the world. If your turnover is not too big, you can just pay 6% of it as taxes and that will be it.
There are also a lot of possibilities in terms of the latest tech solutions: have you ever tried to start acquiring credit cards for your company in Europe or USA? They will do all kinds of checks on you, go through all your accounts, think for a month or two, and then grant their long-awaited decision and burden you with 10% processing fees, 30% reserve fees etc etc. The two Russian companies http://assist.ru and http://www.cyberplat.ru can open a merchant account for any company in 2 weeks, and it'll take only a few e-mail exchanges and one signed contract.
That is not a complete list, but just to give you an idea what kind of things I mean when I say life became better. |
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Camrade
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first i should say that i totally agree with you 
And about the bribes I can add that policeman who stopped my friend didn't take his driver's licence and said: "If you do it again you will lose your driver licence by a new year holiday, so try to drive careful" but in Europe as I know police don't care about people's problems... it's a feature of russian mentality so it can't be changed...
but still i can't say that Russia is an ideal country like RussianBoy does.... there are some problems on the one hand and some advantages on the other.
I've been to many countries (especially in Europe) and I can compare |
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| RussianBoy wrote: | 1 to Camrade
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May be it's funny but even in Andropov times we had "... more freedom than in USA!!".
Why?
Because it's much easier to shut up once in election campaign then to keep your mouth shut every day in your life.
I do not know may be it's better in France. Is it? |
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| ow28 wrote: | | RussianBoy wrote: | 1 to Camrade
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May be it's funny but even in Andropov times we had "... more freedom than in USA!!".
Why?
Because it's much easier to shut up once in election campaign then to keep your mouth shut every day in your life.
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You are right. America has become/is becoming a Fascist state. I have seen it slowly happen in the past 30 years. I love my country, but I HATE its LEADERS, both Republican and Democrat. Both parties are responsible.
Of course, it gets back to the NWO since most of its plans started here, so we are the first to feel their effects.
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Dr-Fauste
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Funny, if you look at accomplishments of Russia versus USSR as milestones, you will see a decrease in gold medals in olympics, less Nobel Prize winners, Less accomplishments in science, dropped to 6th in the space program, less trust of financial transactions and flight of capital at incredible rate.
The biggest issues that Russia has in modern day era is that there is lack of trust or that corruption is so heavy that basic economic transactions are not trusted. There has been too many issues that force has been to seize properties like the Aerostar Hotel and Oil companies. So West with good reason does not trust Russian business dealings which is considered to worse than under communism. Russia has to give teeth to its property laws. This has effected the flight of capital. The amount of capital leaving Russia is amazing and is the real cause that Russia is not turning the corner economically. Because no one trust the banking system or that property law is not being upheld, then move the capital to a safe haven like purchasing companies outside Russia. Due to the risk factor, people are willing to purchase assets in Russia at fraction of the price that would be purchased in other parts of the world. Russian immigrants in Canada have difficulty using the basic banking system including cheques and debit cards.
People in Russia know what business is about. Many shops in every city, town, and even the smallest village are opened 24 hours. And we're not talking about gas stations here, but real shops that sell food, clothes, there are even a few 24-hour mobile phone shops in Moscow or a couple of 24-hour music stores on Nevsky Prospekt in St. Petersburg.
When I'm working at 5 in the morning, I know I can come out of the office, walk about 5 minutes to the restaurant and have a nice nourishing Ukrainian meal in the nearby Korchma restaurant. At 5 am! I know that I can go shopping when I really have free time: on Sunday. In the former USSR or most of the European countries I wouldn't be able to do that.
Dmitri what you stated about the convenience was interesting, but you have to think that you are looking at this in comparison to Western Socialist Europe. I can buy food, eat, drink coffee and so on 24 hours. But I cannot buy booze and drink beer on the street. But I do not have the problems/freedom associated with this rule. My problem with Russian laws is that it punishes the people who cannot afford the bribes. My ex told me the rule of Russia is "It is forbidden, but if you really want to then it allowed".
Russia seems very anarchy sometimes in which anything goes if you have the money. Rules seem to be not universally applied.
I agree with RussianBoy that Russia is a great place to live in. For example, a very high percentage of families own their own apartments / houses. It was given to them during the Soviet times and the beginning of 90s, so not as many people as in the west are burdened with high rents etc.
How many of the youth can afford to purchase new apartments? What is the condition of the apartments?
Average flat in Novgorod -Bachelor is 25,000 USD and the average salary is about 3000 USD. Most of the salary would be used for day to day living like food and transportation. Thus cannot really afford a flat unless they make money through undeclared income(which is very common) which pushes the tax burden on honest people or known as gloopay ludi. Condition of properties have great fell in comparison to high times of communism. Look at pictures during 50-60's on USSR, the property was mowed and trimmed, now may areas are left to neglect. Wooden village outside Novgorod is one such place.
Also, however, strange it might sound, Russia is one of the most democratic and free countries in the world. Yes, it still has something of a police state in a way, but then I think people feel much more free in terms of what they can do and when. There are regulations, yes, but they are very flexible. It concerns everything: from public life to making a business. You start feeling it when you try to live here for a long time.
Has the number of locks on your doors increased or decreased during this new era? How people walking in the streets? Risk of terror and bombing?
I have two locks on my door and they are not locked when I am home.
Russia is rated one the worst places for journalism. Even Ukraine is rated better. Average lifespan of journalist was two years, before being forced to quit. Before Beslan tradegy, you would hear about the bombing and attacks in Chechenya, and now nothing. Putin even put pressure for one editor to get fired.
http://www.mosnews.com/news/2004/09/06/daily.shtml
For example, it's very hard for a foreigner to open a bank account in EU, while in Russia any foreigner can do it in a few minutes (provided you can speak Russian or there's somebody who speaks English).
There are a lot of places where the latest modern technology is utilized: talking about banks again, Guta Bank has one of the most advanced online banking systems I ever seen: no other bank abroad offers such range of services and such flexibility in terms of what can be done online. We also have many business solutions that are already implemented at Russian companies, as well as a very well developed telecom market. While it's a worldwide trend it's especially hard to imagine for Russia.
In Canada, you can do the same. You can get loan in about 1/2 hour if you bring the proper documentation. Russian problem in which Putin is trying to solve is the lack of trust in banking institutions. I think a year ago, Russian government tried/did guarantee bank deposit to certain limit. This is important, because money can taken from the mattresses to the bank accounts, thus reduce amount of robberies. If the bank has deposits, they will be able to loan this money to others who will spend it to buy homes who employ people who will earn money and deposit it in the bank who will loan and so on . We call it the multiplier effect.
The banks in Canada. I can pay almost all my bills, buy stock, bonds gold, order insurnace transfer money, and so on.
You don't have to think that if you offend someone in Russia you will get sued. While there is a law about that, people feel free to express what they feel about each other freely, and to me that is much better, because it allows for direct communication. Example: one of my friends from Germany was driving his truck in Germany once, and there was a guy who cut his way, so my friend, being a very impulsive person, showed a finger (told to f* off) to this guy. In about two weeks he received a court order. That is crazy to me. In Russia if you're not happy with something, you can show your finger, tell somebody to f* off and then it's up to this person what he wants to do to you personally. You won't receive any court orders or bills, you will have to deal with everything directly. Some people might not like this directness, I do, even if I'm the one who is being told off.
I thought the comparison was to the USSR days, all well. Canada does not have these law suits. It is quite common to tell some F* Off (as you can tell with my attitude). But the big complaint that Russians have here, is that if there is conflict, Canadians always look for the government to mediate. I agree with the Russians that it is stupid.
Talking about bribes, again, that is very controversial. While many people complain about bribery, ask any driver what he prefers: to pay 100R ($3) to the traffic inspector for driving 10km/hour faster, or having his driving license taken away, having to go to court, stand in long queues, and then pay 10 times more? Or ask any mother whether she prefers her 18-year old son to go and fight in the war against Chechnya, or pay $3000 and secure him a place in a university, from where he can't be taken to the army? When it comes to personal matters people change their beliefs quite fast.
So poor people are forced to fight Chechenya and rich can avoid it. Seems fair. NOT!!
In terms of business, a lot has changed. The taxes are still high, there are unfair regulations, yes. But, still, now it's already possible to do business and to pay 100% of the taxes you should without risking to go bankrupt. In fact, in Russia you pay 20% on your profits and less than 30% on employees salary, which is comparable with the rest of the world. If your turnover is not too big, you can just pay 6% of it as taxes and that will be it.
There are also a lot of possibilities in terms of the latest tech solutions: have you ever tried to start acquiring credit cards for your company in Europe or USA? They will do all kinds of checks on you, go through all your accounts, think for a month or two, and then grant their long-awaited decision and burden you with 10% processing fees, 30% reserve fees etc etc. The two Russian companies http://assist.ru and http://www.cyberplat.ru can open a merchant account for any company in 2 weeks, and it'll take only a few e-mail exchanges and one signed contract.
That is wrong Dmitri. You can start a business in Canada in a day. Go to Corporate registry office and buy a kit for incorpoartion and within a hour, you have your company. Then take you documentation to the bank and within hour, you can have corporate bank account. You can then sign up to take credit cards and that might take a couple weeks. I have personally set up these merchant accounts(in Canada and the USA) and it does not take this long. Canada, Companies are still liable for taxes even if they go bankrupt |
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Back to the original question.
Do you REALLY think that the hand over from USSR to Russia was done properly?
The argument that Russia was better off in Soviet times is a foolish one. The economic policies and inefficiencies had basically bankrupt the nation. But the comparison to the USA is unfair one, because the USSR lost 20 million people and had much of its industry disputed or destroyed from WW2. |
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waytorussia
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| Dr Fauste wrote: | | Funny, if you look at accomplishments of Russia versus USSR as milestones, you will see a decrease in gold medals in olympics, less Nobel Prize winners, Less accomplishments in science, dropped to 6th in the space program, less trust of financial transactions and flight of capital at incredible rate. |
Well, firstly, the population decreased almost twice, so you have to look in that (USSR had about 260 mln people, Russia has less than 140 mln now).
Second, all these achievements were made at a very great expense, that nobody needs now.
| Dr Fauste wrote: | | The amount of capital leaving Russia is amazing and is the real cause that Russia is not turning the corner economically. Because no one trust the banking system or that property law is not being upheld, then move the capital to a safe haven like purchasing companies outside Russia. Due to the risk factor, people are willing to purchase assets in Russia at fraction of the price that would be purchased in other parts of the world. |
That is definitely true and the property law should be updated. The banking system is already on the way. I think the process has started, but for some reason the government needs to play these spectacles with Yukos, Aerostar, etc. to show who's the boss... I don't think it's the right way to do it, but maybe they do.
| Dr Fauste wrote: | | Dmitri what you stated about the convenience was interesting, but you have to think that you are looking at this in comparison to Western Socialist Europe. I can buy food, eat, drink coffee and so on 24 hours. But I cannot buy booze and drink beer on the street. But I do not have the problems/freedom associated with this rule. |
Yes, actually, I was thinking if it was something that we got from America and Canada this habit of making everything available at any moment of time.
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My problem with Russian laws is that it punishes the people who cannot afford the bribes. My ex told me the rule of Russia is "It is forbidden, but if you really want to then it allowed".
Russia seems very anarchy sometimes in which anything goes if you have the money. Rules seem to be not universally applied. |
Well, yes, but then most people can afford the bribes. I think it's part of the transition economy, where you need to implement some strict rules, but you can't really make it too harsh in the beginning, so to make it gradual you use the money factor to differentiate. It's a bit strange, but this is just a way of seeing things.
| Dr Fauste wrote: | | Average flat in Novgorod -Bachelor is 25,000 USD and the average salary is about 3000 USD. Most of the salary would be used for day to day living like food and transportation. Thus cannot really afford a flat unless they make money through undeclared income(which is very common) which pushes the tax burden on honest people or known as gloopay ludi. |
I don't know where you got the expression "gloopay ludi" (stupid people) about the people who pay taxes. Nobody thinks that people who pay taxes in Russia are stupid, and I never met anybody who called them like this or thought about it.
It's true that it's hard for young people to afford a new flat, but then there's also a culture that accepts living with your parents even when you're older, have a spouse and kids. You have to consider the mentality also. So in this respect I would say that comparing to USSR life became better, because now at least you can take a mortgage to buy a flat.
If your official income is $300 like you say, you will be able to buy a $25,000 flat, doesn't make it much harder in terms of numbers than for an average European with a salary of 2000 EUR to buy an apartment for 200,000 EUR.
It's all relative...
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Condition of properties have great fell in comparison to high times of communism. Look at pictures during 50-60's on USSR, the property was mowed and trimmed, now may areas are left to neglect. Wooden village outside Novgorod is one such place. |
Wooden village outside Novgorod is a nice place, actually. It might look run-down and all, but if you spend a few days with the people who live there, it seems like they're having nice time. And also wooden houses are good for health.
| Dr Fauste wrote: | | Has the number of locks on your doors increased or decreased during this new era? How people walking in the streets? Risk of terror and bombing? |
The number of the locks stayed the same -- they just became better. Have to keep the pace with technology and use the latest achievements of the western industry
People are walking completely in the way they used to, with certain peculiarities that you can always see in Russian people.
The risk of terror and bombing is not really different than in any other big city in the world, like London, Madrid, or New York. In terms of how it changed over time -- again, have to keep the pace with the outside world, unfortunately, in this case.
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I have two locks on my door and they are not locked when I am home.
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Oh, yes, I heard about this peculiarity of Canadian people. Seems very strange to us, paranoid Russians.
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Russia is rated one the worst places for journalism. Even Ukraine is rated better. Average lifespan of journalist was two years, before being forced to quit. |
It's because in Russia all medias, newspapers, TV stations (well, until recently) were owned by relatively small groups with their small business interests, which caused them to fight a lot with each other. Some, of course, would use administrative resource, that's why you hear all these news about the poor jounalists being forced to write what they are told.
The thing is that they are always forced to write what they are told. And this myth about independent press -- I don't believe it. They're just making a lot of fuss about themselves trying to win over competitors.
You didn't have it in USSR and you don't have it too much in Canada, USA or Europe for the same reason. The medias are controlled by bigger groups who already arranged everything between themselves and the government. You will see in Russia it will become much better for journalists in a few years, when they finally divide the tasty pie they are still fighting over.
| Dr Fauste wrote: | | In Canada, you can do the same. You can get loan in about 1/2 hour if you bring the proper documentation. |
Well, that's nice. You can get a loan in Russia in 15 minutes with only your passport. And also comparing with USSR in this case, and all these stuff seem pretty amazing.
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Russian problem in which Putin is trying to solve is the lack of trust in banking institutions. I think a year ago, Russian government tried/did guarantee bank deposit to certain limit. This is important, because money can taken from the mattresses to the bank accounts, thus reduce amount of robberies. If the bank has deposits, they will be able to loan this money to others who will spend it to buy homes who employ people who will earn money and deposit it in the bank who will loan and so on . We call it the multiplier effect.
The banks in Canada. I can pay almost all my bills, buy stock, bonds gold, order insurnace transfer money, and so on. |
Yes, that is already happening. And in Russia you can also pay all your bills, buy stock, bonds, gold, order insurance, transfer money through your phone or over the internet.
| Dr Fauste wrote: | | I thought the comparison was to the USSR days, all well. Canada does not have these law suits. It is quite common to tell some F* Off (as you can tell with my attitude). But the big complaint that Russians have here, is that if there is conflict, Canadians always look for the government to mediate. I agree with the Russians that it is stupid. |
I knew you would like that one.
| Dr Fauste wrote: | | So poor people are forced to fight Chechenya and rich can avoid it. Seems fair. NOT!! |
Well, I would see what you say if you were in the same situation. Would you not do it because you consider it not "fair" that you have the money and somebody doesn't? It just gives you an extra opportunity you wouldn't have if you lived in another country. Take Farenheit 9/11 as example: the guy clearly showed there why people from the poorest classes of society had to go to the army, and these people had no choice. In Russia you do have the choice, even if it's such a strange one.
Also isn't it you also who made the money? Isn't it fair that you have the money and somebody doesn't? Isn't it because you learned the skills, spent your time, and earned that money?
| Dr Fauste wrote: | | That is wrong Dmitri. You can start a business in Canada in a day. Go to Corporate registry office and buy a kit for incorpoartion and within a hour, you have your company. Then take you documentation to the bank and within hour, you can have corporate bank account. You can then sign up to take credit cards and that might take a couple weeks. I have personally set up these merchant accounts(in Canada and the USA) and it does not take this long. Canada, Companies are still liable for taxes even if they go bankrupt |
Yes, USA and Canada are much easier in this sense than some countries of Western Europe, there's a lot to learn in terms of making it easy to start a business. However, I don't know if you ever looked at the situation from a foreigner's point of view. In this perspective Russia seems to be a much more open country.
But again, it was my mistake to compare Russia with other countries again. So, to bring it back to the Russia vs USSR, I think it's a great achievement that all these stuff are accepted by people and work already in Russia. |
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| Quote: | Well, I would see what you say if you were in the same situation. Would you not do it because you consider it not "fair" that you have the money and somebody doesn't? It just gives you an extra opportunity you wouldn't have if you lived in another country. Take Farenheit 9/11 as example: the guy clearly showed there why people from the poorest classes of society had to go to the army, and these people had no choice. In Russia you do have the choice, even if it's such a strange one.
Also isn't it you also who made the money? Isn't it fair that you have the money and somebody doesn't? Isn't it because you learned the skills, spent your time, and earned that money? |
It is fact that the poorest people have to take the worst jobs. I agree with you, but it is different in war time (Which Chechenya is sort is) to sacrifice the poor to fight. But I guess you are right. I could say that it does not happen here, but we are not at war. If it happened, our soldiers which generally from the poorer part of country would be the one fighting. You are correct. It is fair though, but it is the case everywhere.
I still interested to hear your views on the transfer power of communism to capitalism whether Russia is still in cultuarl shock or whether it was done correctly. It is funny that people believe that Russia should have easily dropped Communism and began capitalism without any issues. USA did not even change their system and had a horrific time during the 20's and 30's and was not able to change their economy around until WW2.
Three things that worry the most about Russia is
corruption
reliance on natural resources for foreign trade
and the loss outflow of finacial capital to foreign countries ( the people that make money Russia, take else where)
Russia, right now, is living off of oil and other resources. This is a temporary solution until Russia can redevelop its manufacturing industry. Unfortunately, most industries I see being built in Russia, is to sell to Russians. But Canada is in similar position, but not as bad. Canada has the luxury of having the largest oil reserves in the world(although very expensive to process), we have second nation with 1/8 of your population and net exports is only 50% raw resouces compared to Russia 80%. But still we have to break out of the resource industry supplier mode. Russia has a history of success and mentoring great technology break throughs. YOu have brightant minds, but where are they now and how can redevelop these again to stimulate your industry? Canada does not have that. We do not have the winning attitude like Russia has/had.(except for Hockey and curling).
Our leading trading partner is kiling themselves internally through bureaucy, corruption and legal suicide. Try to get something done in USA via government and you will see how bad USA has gotten. Corruption through money in politics has gotten stupid. But the worst thing that USA has done is the legal system. There is so much generous lawsuits that many business cannot afford to risk to develop new technology. Engineers and Enterpreneur are what helped build USA, and lawyer are bureaucratically sufficating it. Liability insurance for Pediatrician is extremely high, because there is 95% chance they will be successful sued and penalities have caused their insurance to skyrocket. Pediatrician are forced to increase their fees to match the increased costs. Thus poor population is not able to have proper health care. But the lawyers prosper and thus producing more lawyers and less doctors and engineers. Costs of developing and retaining a patent has drastically increased. With common law, every ridiculous lawsuit that get processed, sets a precedent on the next lawsuit. In then end, all these lawsuits take away talents people from value added activities like developing a new technology, and bureaucracy and expense to the USA. |
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RussianBoy
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| AliceFromMoscow wrote: | | It is NOT about life in Russia vs USA ok? |
I'm just comparing
| Camrade wrote: | | yeah, i am pessimist about some things but the situation worth such pessimism so i am realist |
Russian people like to say this: "I'm not pessimist, I'm realist..." =)
| Camrade wrote: | | I almost sure that your family has a foreign car, so don't tell us such ridiculous things |
We have no any car, because can't driving
| Camrade wrote: | | Our army is not effective... |
It's funny. Our arming buying because our arming the best: China, India and other. Our army effective because other countries afraid of us
| Camrade wrote: | | but still i can't say that Russia is an ideal country like RussianBoy does |
It's the best but not ideal. |
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| Dr Fauste wrote: | | So poor people are forced to fight Chechenya and rich can avoid it. Seems fair. NOT!! |
No one is forced to go to army, because EVERY young man can go to a university after school and going to a university means NO ARMY. Universities, even most prestigious ones, are completely free if you pass exams, so you see, poor have choice too. |
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| Quote: | Dr Fauste wrote:
So poor people are forced to fight Chechenya and rich can avoid it. Seems fair. NOT!!
No one is forced to go to army, because EVERY young man can go to a university after school and going to a university means NO ARMY. Universities, even most prestigious ones, are completely free if you pass exams, so you see, poor have choice too. |
See Dmitri example |
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Location: Russia, Moscow
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 2:30 pm Post subject: |
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2 Dr Fauste
Why you SO interested in Russia ?
I think you left (was born in Russia) our country and want to belittle Russia now |
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andre
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Joined: 16 Aug 2004
Posts: 78
Location: France
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 3:53 pm Post subject: |
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| ow28 wrote: | | I do not know may be it's better in France. Is it? |
You know that France is the more free country in the world |
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RussianBoy
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Joined: 01 Dec 2004
Posts: 33
Location: Russia, Moscow
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| Posted: Tue Dec 07, 2004 4:06 pm Post subject: |
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