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Dr-Fauste
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Canada Bashing
I will start it, because I am not saying that this country is perfect or better than Russia or USA.
Because of Socialism, we has lost much of our values. We recently had an immgrant that robbed stoled and exploited, but it took 18 YEARS to deport him. THe lack of true entrepreneur attitude in Canada is silly low, we lack the hunger to be savy businessmen in comparison to our southern neighbour. We are truly a third world nation economically, because we sell natural resources, not finished goods. We have lack of national identity or pride and it shows with lack luster effort in the world of sports and science. Basically Canada has everything, but we are conrttent to be lazy or content to do nothing.
We have disgraced our military with crappy equipment and put them in dangerous situations. WE have a problem with our government interfering with its military aka the Airborne being used for peace keeping and the subs. What pisses me oiff about Canada is the lack of drive and pride. Of course no one dislikes us, because we really do not do anything!!! |
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cyndy22
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I appreciate Slavnori's post on this topic. Even though Slavnori is not a Russian, his posts shows that he has a great deal of experience on this subject.
He speaks with not only vast experience but also a heightened awareness, and respectful relationships with Russians as well as ex-US military in Russia, I think Slavnori's perspective is perhaps the first credible statement on this topic.
It is too damn easy for civilians of any country to make judgemental comments about any country's militia. But I do think that Slavnori's professional experience combined with his respectful relationsdhips in Russia demonstrate that US military personnel are well trained, well paid and even if many enlisted are from poor neighborhoods and inner cities, the US Military personnel should not be blamed for doing their jobs.. Is it possible to understand that the majority of people enlisted in military especia\lly undereducated persons, just want to do their jobs. I think we need to understand the difference between administration and young, innocent people who enlist to fight etc. |
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Dr-Fauste
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| Quote: | | They also understand that even with the shortcomings of the US military that they are still the largest and most powerful. |
Wrong for numbers
| Quote: | | The People’s Liberation Army (PLA) is the world’s largest armed force with a total strength of 2.5 million men and women serving in four arms—ground forces, air force, navy, and strategic missile force. The ground forces along total some 2 million troops and support personnel, or 80% of the PLA’s total manpower. This force also deploys 8,000 tanks, 4,000 armoured vehicles, and 25,000 artillery guns and multiple rocket launchers (MRLs). In time of crisis, this force can be reinforced by a large reserve-militia force numbering more than 1.5 million personnel and the one-million-man People's Armed Police (PAP). |
But yes it is powerful , because you are by far the biggest spender on the block
But if you look at home country
[quote] The number of guns owned by civilians in the United States is
between 238 million and 276 million, making country of 268 million
people the most armed in the world, the study by the Graduate
Institute of International Studies in Geneva said.
But it also said the 15 European Union nations, with more than 300
million people, have a total of 84 million firearms, with Finland
leading in per capita gun ownership.
The study was presented to a 156-nation conference at U.N.
headquarters on progress made in banning the illicit trade of small
and light weapons around the world, which killed an estimated 500,000
people a year. Those weapons are military sidearms, assault rifles,
rifles, sub-machine and machine guns and grenade launchers.
The Swiss study focused on legal gun ownership among ordinary
citizens, excluding military personnel and police officers. It said
what the study revealed about Europe debunked the belief that
Europeans are disarmed and do not privately hold a large stock of
guns.
It said 80 per cent of the estimated 84 million firearms in Europe
are in civilian hands, with Finland leading with 39 guns for every 100
citizens, followed by Norway with 36 guns, Sweden with 24 guns and
Denmark with 18 guns.
But the United States, which the study estimates has between 83 and
96 guns for every 100 people, still has far more guns per person than
Europe, where the survey estimates there are 17.4 guns for every 100
people.
The study said Americans are most armed in the world, followed by
Finns and Yememis. [/quote
Who needs an army !!!!
USA is the most armed country in the world. If you included the civilian population with weapons, then USA is largest army in the world.
I love your replies Cyndy. You pick and choose what you believe. Do you wants names? Do you need addresses of the people that have supported my opinion? Do you need the guy's dog tags that was scrwed by the politicians, because of El Salvador. Right now, USA spends $300,000 per soldier per year. If you estimate the service life of a US soldier at 6 years, that is 1.8 million dollars !!! and they still kill each other in friendly fire. |
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cyndy22
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It may appear that I pick and choose what I believe re this topic. That's true .
Dr. I agree that US military spending is out of control, entirely excessive and disgusting. But I choose to separate what the big boys in our administration do and especioally the average military enlistee. In fact I feel sorry that these young men and women are risking their lives and have to deal with war and all its perversity and live with it afterward. I don't think I could do it. I would end up in a psych unit, which many people do including aftyer their service.
Re gun ownership in US. I don't have a problem with people owning registered guns. It's the unregistered guns that really are involved in so many shootings in this country.
When it comes to politics and religion people have quite different views don't they! Hey, have a nice week!  |
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TheJustifier
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Personally I think all this talk is sick.
You talk of casualty figures as if it were a Carbohydrate count on a packet of Potato Chips!!
I would bring attention to the fact that USA are still in Iraq and its not looking good.
At all.
Perhaps when all of this mess is out of the way, we can all start talking about other countries and the USA's military(without made-up USA figures!!).
ps I do not know where some of you get your figures from, but it sure is entertaining!! |
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Dr-Fauste
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| Quote: | Dr. I agree that US military spending is out of control, entirely excessive and disgusting. But I choose to separate what the big boys in our administration do and especioally the average military enlistee. In fact I feel sorry that these young men and women are risking their lives and have to deal with war and all its perversity and live with it afterward. I don't think I could do it. I would end up in a psych unit, which many people do including aftyer their service.
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Agreed, that the average soldier is to be pity under such a stupid bureaucracy called the US Military. That is what I am saying that it is unfair that politicians and corrupt Officers have taken out the honour and respect of the Military. Poor communication, lack of understanding what is required in the field, cover ups, and who pays the price!! The troops. Does the military tell the soldiers about the problems with certain military equipment like jambing in sand? Russia has been no better by using the own troops to experiment. Kursk is an example of that. It is a shame that when a man or woman gives their life for their country and that the government treats as a number. |
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Mogsfan
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| The problem is that the American military are an organization of pawns of Bush and his cronies. These military decisions are run by powerful oligarchs and corrupt corporate henchmen. Russians and citizens of all countries should be aware of this. This is not just typical military strategies and topics of foreign policies. There is a bigger picture, imho. |
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TheJustifier
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| God Bless You Mogsfan. |
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TheJustifier
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| God Bless You Dr Fauste. |
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Dr-Fauste
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| Quote: | | The problem is that the American military are an organization of pawns of Bush and his cronies. These military decisions are run by powerful oligarchs and corrupt corporate henchmen. Russians and citizens of all countries should be aware of this. This is not just typical military strategies and topics of foreign policies. There is a bigger picture, imho. |
Yeah, those shitty subs and crappy helicopters that endanger Canadian Soldiers lives and the disbanning of the Airbourne are good reflection that it is not a USA only problem. Chrietian got in by voiding a contract for Helicopters that are desparately needed and endanger the lives of our soldiers. Airbourne who were the Canadian Elite at the time were used as peace keepers. That is like using SAS or Rangers as peacekeepers. WRong so wrong. |
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HdPaul
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I'm sorry if it's going to hurt someone's feelings but there is a special term addressing US militaries on Russian Internet. That is 'pindosy' (pl.). It's derogatory, of course.
They say that it's origins are in the days of common patrolling of Kosovo region by NATO and Russian forces. It seems that our paratroopers just picked up a spanish word (they say 'pindosas' means 'morons') and applyed it to US soldiers.
It stuck to them! At first Americans tryed to ignore, but then not only Russians begun to use the word. After that US command asked others to take measures.
So goes the story. I see this usage from time to time on the NET.
Sure all this story is crap, though rather funny, I admit.
But it clearly shows attitude towards US militaries in Russia.
One thing I can say for sure - no one is going to bully US soldier in Russia if he's a guest and if he is not bragging of American military success. It's just a sensitive point of ours |
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Mogsfan
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| Quote: | | Chrietian got in by voiding a contract for Helicopters that are desparately needed and endanger the lives of our soldiers. |
Well, what do you expect when Canadians are apathetic and stupid when it comes to their government? Chretien and Martin are laughing. Canadians are just as stupid as Americans in voting in the worst politicians. The Liberals wasted how much money on those contracts? Anyway, it is nothing new. There really is no choice but I voted anyway but not for any of the main three.
I guess our differences really are minimized and inconsequential when you consider all three countries are fairly apathetic and "stupid" when it comes to voting in these scummy politicans. The only excuse is there's no one else to vote for. |
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vorteks
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For usamericans, since it seems to be the topic of the thread now, i d like to ask a few questions :
- Your governement confessed Irak had nothing to do with 2001 attacks on USA. Your government confessed there were no WMD in Irak. What are the motives of the invasion then and why werent they exposed to UN in 2003?
- How could you reelect a governement that admitedly showed fabricated evidences and as a matter of fact purposely lied to the rest of the world in the UN? Is there any kind of sense of ethics left? (it is supposed to be a deeply religious country with a sense of honor)
- When the word "Freedom" is repeated at every sentence of the white house official speeches, don t you think it s obvious the word looses its meaning just to become an ideologic manipulative tool to make your minds..a bit less free every day?
In other words, have usamericans lost their ability to think and transfered this painful individual responsability to the militaro industrial lobbies? |
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vettra
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| i once encountered an ex-military guy selling eyeglasses at an outdoor bazaar. My girl with me later told me he was clearly drunk. I picked up he didn't like Americans cuz he was a soldier in Afghanistan, and America supplied Afghans with Stinger missiles. Cold war BS. Didn't seem to matter that I was never a soldier. I think this is a big part of the Anti-American sentiment found in Russia, outside of plain vanilla xenophobia. However I don't think you need worry, soldier. Russians got slaughtered by Germans, how it is they don't hate Germans now mystifies me. |
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vettra
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Vortex: FYI George Bush is an idiot.
Joseph Stalin == millions killed, therefore Russia & Russians are bad - correct?
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