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SUNLEY Just Starting Joined: 01 Feb 2005 Posts: 7 Location: GOA,INDIA	Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 9:21 am    Post subject: A PITYFUL SITUATION HELLOW RUSSIANS, I AM HAPPY TO SEE THAT MY ARTICLE IS PUBLISHED. BUT I DID ASK A QUESTION "IS Mikail GORBACHEV " A TRATIOR ONE WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FAILURE OF IDEOLOGY.I DONT BELIVE THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE IDEOLOGY.IT 'S SUCESS IS BASED ON WHO HANDLES IT WITH CARE.WHEN I READ THE INTERVIEWS OF THE OLD PEOPLE FORM RUSSIA THE FEEL SAD NOW.SO,SOME PEOPLE SAYS THE IDEOLOGY FAILS ,NO NEVER.IT'S THE SKILL WHERE IT WORKS.AND ACCORDING TO MY INFORMATION FROM OTHER PEOPLE AMERICA'S PRIME PROJECT WAS TO "DESTROY THE SOVIET IDEOLOGY" BECAUSE THE USSR WERE GROWING TO THE ULTIMATE POWER IN TERMS OF EVERYTHINF SO THE FORMER COULD'T ACCEPT THE GROWTH ,SO THEY DID SPEND MILLIONS AND MUCH SPIES TO EXPLODE THE SOVIET RUSSIA. AMERICAN POLITICAL STRATEGY IS LIKE A THEATRE STAGE ,CONSISTING OF FRONT STAGE AND BACK STAGE.WE SEE THE FRONT STAGE .WHAT THEY DO PRACTICALLY IS THE BACK STAGE."SUCH A DIRTY GAME"IS'NT IT. WHAT THEY DID IN IRAQ?THEY WAHED OUT AN ENTIRE OLD AND VALUABLE CIVILIZATIONS.THEY DONT HAVE CULTURE SO THEY DONT KNOW THE VALUES.YES, THEY MAKE BIG MONUMENTS ARTIFICALLY TO MAKE THEMSELVES GREAT.REALLY " A PITIFUL SITUATION"
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Keoki Lounge Lizard Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 117 Location: Moscow	Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 12:11 pm    Post subject: Re: A PITYFUL SITUATION SUNLEY wrote: I DONT BELIVE THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THE IDEOLOGY.IT 'S SUCESS IS BASED ON WHO HANDLES IT WITH CARE.WHEN I READ THE INTERVIEWS OF THE OLD PEOPLE FORM RUSSIA THE FEEL SAD NOW.SO,SOME PEOPLE SAYS THE IDEOLOGY FAILS ,NO NEVER. Wow! Flamebait! The ideology did fail, but not because it was necessarily bad. It was possibly just ahead of its time. Marx theorized that every society would evolve into Communism from Capitalism. This may yet prove to be true, as we can slowly see capitalist societies becoming more and more socialist even today. The Soviet Union tried to skip the capitalist stage. The problem with this is that human beings are not yet evolved enough for Communism. There are always people that want to have more than others, and the USSR, in attempting to create a completely egalitarian society, ended up simply exchanging one upper class for another. The Communist Party only comprised 3% of the population, approximately the same amount that was once made up of Russian boyars. The names and privileges changed, but the principle remained the same. Maybe someday we'll be ready for true Communism. I hope so. But not yet. Quote: IT'S THE SKILL WHERE IT WORKS.AND ACCORDING TO MY INFORMATION FROM OTHER PEOPLE AMERICA'S PRIME PROJECT WAS TO "DESTROY THE SOVIET IDEOLOGY" BECAUSE THE USSR WERE GROWING TO THE ULTIMATE POWER IN TERMS OF EVERYTHINF SO THE FORMER COULD'T ACCEPT THE GROWTH ,SO THEY DID SPEND MILLIONS AND MUCH SPIES TO EXPLODE THE SOVIET RUSSIA. You're right. As it was a Soviet policy to promote the spread of Communism wherever it could, the American president Harry Truman created a doctrine for containing it. Both the US and USSR spent untold millions in these efforts. Quote: AMERICAN POLITICAL STRATEGY IS LIKE A THEATRE STAGE ,CONSISTING OF FRONT STAGE AND BACK STAGE.WE SEE THE FRONT STAGE .WHAT THEY DO PRACTICALLY IS THE BACK STAGE."SUCH A DIRTY GAME"IS'NT IT. Most world politics are like that. It really has nothing to do with the US in particular. Quote: WHAT THEY DID IN IRAQ?THEY WAHED OUT AN ENTIRE OLD AND VALUABLE CIVILIZATIONS.THEY DONT HAVE CULTURE SO THEY DONT KNOW THE VALUES.YES, THEY MAKE BIG MONUMENTS ARTIFICALLY TO MAKE THEMSELVES GREAT.REALLY " A PITIFUL SITUATION" I should point out that the largest monument in the world is in Russia, in Volgograd! Although I'm not a supporter of the invasion of Iraq, for anyone to put Russia on a higher pedestal with what's been going on for years now in Chechnya is just silly. When I was in school, people like you talked a lot about how morally superior Soviets were to Americans, and I wanted to believe it. Seeing the behavior of Russian capitalists today, however, I realize that it's not true. People are people. I'm not sure whether to be distressed or relieved.
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Camrade VIP Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 516 Location: Санкт-Петербург	Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 12:57 pm    Post subject: 2SUNLEY That's nice to see absolutely right opinion about american politics. U.S.S.R. was destroyed with great help of the U.S. cause we were their main and the strongest enemies. Failure of the regime showed the victory of the U.S. in the cold war... That was easy cause Brezhnev was ruling the country worse of all, he destructed the inside structure, americans helped outside. Now american politics intended to destroy other enemies: Iraq (done), Iran (in progress), North Korea (after Iran). Also they are crashing the influence of Russia by making revolutions in former U.S.S.R. republics: Georgia, Ukraine, Moldavia (in progress)... Another rival of the U.S. - China but they prefer not to make a conflict with them. That's the politics... it's always dirty business
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Skip Talk Show Host Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 283 Location: Planet Warez	Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 1:44 pm    Post subject: And the collapse of communism had nothing to do with it's failure to perform economically as a one nation ideal in a democratic world which differed from the same ideals? It was not solely Russian which adopted communism, and it was not solely Russia where communism failed in the long term. Did it not have something to do with the fact that the capitalists pulling the puppet strings in Moscow were getting a little short of cash? Look at the situation RIGHT NOW in the FSU with pensioners! Petitioning and lobbying their local town officials because they've lost subsdized rent and free bus travel that they enjoyed until 31.12.2004! By next winter what will some of them have suffered? If the "West" saw how some Russian pensioners have to live the world public would be shocked. But... these reforms... and the government voted in, aren't they simply the tools and ideals of a former high ranking communist secret policeman whose become the present day President of Russia? I agree with the "equality" side of communism, in theory. But by highlighting the "in theory" element I am also saying that I can only agree with it on that basis because - in practice - it has failed. Most of the worlds economic problems are caused by, and boil down to, the greed of a minority of individual capitalists. In the west, in the FSU both now, and at the fall of communism... and in major part it's because the very human trait of greed undermines every sort of economic ideal we've ever been presented with! In any event times have changed, for better or for worse...
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TheJustifier Frequent Guest Joined: 09 Feb 2005 Posts: 11	Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 3:57 pm    Post subject: No. I think there is inaccuracy all over the show here. For a start USA just came on and stressed that there is no plan for military attack in Iran. Rice came on and said that due to its size, greater military and abscence of recent wars, Iran would be impossible to compromise military. They have not discounted North Korea, though, although China is now showing signs of standing up for the North Koreans. America have now acknowledged that their influencial attempt is over. Look at Iraq. Just seems like some of you haven't been reading the news..
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Skip Talk Show Host Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 283 Location: Planet Warez	Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 4:34 pm    Post subject: TheJustifier wrote: No.I think there is inaccuracy all over the show here. For a start USA just came on and stressed that there is no plan for military attack in Iran. Whoah... Iraq and Iran aren't communist... and the only reason the Chinese might be interested in North Korea is because they could do with it... not to mention Taiwan... Now... if you actually BELIEVE the American military machine you're either just plain naive or plain stupid... you really think they're going to tell you the truth?!? You think the Israelis will turn a continuing blind eye to Iranian attempts to get nuclear arms status? Do you not remember what the Israelis did to Iran when their nuclear program was getting off the ground the first time around? The only thing I can agree with is your comment about inaccuracy... that's the way that forums usually work
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Keoki Lounge Lizard Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 117 Location: Moscow	Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:34 pm    Post subject: TheJustifier wrote: For a start USA just came on and stressed that there is no plan for military attack in Iran. The trick is not to reread the news, but to remember it later. For example, remembering that the original justification given for invading Iraq was WMD. Later, when the WMD didn't turn up, in Minitrue fashion it suddenly became the "liberation" of Iraq by moving occupying forces into it. The scary thing is that Orwell's theory seems to work - many Americans now actually accept the newer reason as being the original one. Don't believe everything you hear, especially when it comes from a politician, and especially when that politician has been caught lying more than once and admitted to lying before. I tend to pay more attention to what politicians actually do than to what they say. In my opinion, Iran is still very much an open question. I'm sure it's no coincidence that all this just happened to come right after the (re-)inauguration ceremony. The writing's more or less on the wall.
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Keoki Lounge Lizard Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 117 Location: Moscow	Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 6:41 pm    Post subject: Skip wrote: Look at the situation RIGHT NOW in the FSU with pensioners! I feel most sorry for WWII vets here - I mean, these are the people who more or less SAVED THE WORLD from Nazi Germany, and now those defeated German vets are getting pensions several times greater. However, I should note that the defeated Germany offered of its own accord to pay all pensions for Soviet veterans of the war, for as long as they lived, but Stalin was too proud to allow it, firmly believing in his country's bright future.
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Camrade VIP Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 516 Location: Санкт-Петербург	Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 8:38 pm    Post subject: 2TheJustifier Quote: Just seems like some of you haven't been reading the news.. "never read soviet newspapers" (c) Bulgakov So never listen to the news
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Skip Talk Show Host Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 283 Location: Planet Warez	Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 8:45 pm    Post subject: Keoki wrote: Skip wrote: Look at the situation RIGHT NOW in the FSU with pensioners! I feel most sorry for WWII vets here - I mean, these are the people who more or less SAVED THE WORLD from Nazi Germany, and now those defeated German vets are getting pensions several times greater. However, I should note that the defeated Germany offered of its own accord to pay all pensions for Soviet veterans of the war, for as long as they lived, but Stalin was too proud to allow it, firmly believing in his country's bright future. I concur quite closely with Keoki here... and it's disgraceful the way WW2 vets are treated in many countries, and isn't it ironic enough that Germany was the aggressor, which you would think might mean the German people would dig in THEIR pockets outside of any accords in order to show humility and responsibility... As for Stalin looking a gift horse in the mouth, well... what can I say? He saw fit to grab Eastern Germany and Poland in lieu of anything accorded by official offer or document Trouble is... the newest "adult" generation haven't a clue about what life might have been like under Hitlers Nazi party (had they survived or even won WW2) as the only "wars" they know about are the ones where the footage is shown on TV from a nosecone cam on a cruise missile... viz... Iraq, Afghanistan... My point regards Russian pensioners is that they live in FAR WORSE poverty than their EU counterparts... and, whilst nobody is forgetting Uncle Sam here, I cannot speculate how it is on U$ soil cos' l've never been there... he says, making the sign of the cross and stroking his rabbit tail... We've slipped off topic somewhere... wasn't this about the merits of society behind the former Iron Curtain
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Dr-Fauste Site Admin Joined: 23 Nov 2004 Posts: 654	Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 8:57 pm    Post subject: Great another bash the USA thread. How about my Indian friend? India has out of control population growth so do I blame India, because you cannot put a little rubber on the end of your tallywacker. What about Kashmir and Pakistan conflicts? What about supposely Racism against the Sikhs? Is the USA the problem for these events also? You are just another American basher. BTW I am not an American.
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Dr-Fauste Site Admin Joined: 23 Nov 2004 Posts: 654	Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 9:10 pm    Post subject: Quote: That's nice to see absolutely right opinion about american politics. U.S.S.R. was destroyed with great help of the U.S. cause we were their main and the strongest enemies. Camrade, it is obvious that you have NOT read Sun Tze the art of war. USSR tried to compete with USA in areas that they were not competive. China did not. China leverage its strengths and USSR did not. Although USA system is not the greatest, but it was way more effecient than the USSR. USA has more production per man hour than any other country in the world. I am not a fan of the USA foreign policy, but USSR was no saint either. But I am tired of people blaming the USA for all the world's problem. USA did not force millions of Chechenya to walk to Kazakhstan.. USA did not starve the Ukrainians. USA did not given Yelstin the bottle of Vodka when he gave away your national assets. USA do not push say USSR you have to over militarize beyond your budget. It was USSR/Russia leadership that did this. YOUR leaders screwed pensioners. It is time that the world takes responsibilities for its own mistakes than always blame the USA.
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Skip Talk Show Host Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 283 Location: Planet Warez	Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 9:13 pm    Post subject: Dr Fauste wrote: Quote: That's nice to see absolutely right opinion about american politics. U.S.S.R. was destroyed with great help of the U.S. cause we were their main and the strongest enemies. Camrade, it is obvious that you have NOT read Sun Tze the art of war. USSR tried to compete with USA in areas that they were not competive. China did not. China leverage its strengths and USSR did not. Although USA system is not the greatest, but it was way more effecient than the USSR. USA has more production per man hour than any other country in the world. I am not a fan of the USA foreign policy, but USSR was no saint either. But I am tired of people blaming the USA for all the world's problem. USA did not force millions of Chechenya to walk to Kazakhstan.. USA did not starve the Ukrainians. USA did not given Yelstin the bottle of Vodka when he gave away your national assets. USA do not push say USSR you have to over militarize beyond your budget. It was USSR/Russia leadership that did this. YOUR leaders screwed pensioners. It is time that the world takes responsibilities for its own mistakes than always blame the USA. I agree wholeheartedly, so those of you who're only fluent in bullshit could do worse than clapping their eyes to what Dr Faust has to say Where is that bloody Whisky Bar someone else was talking about... not that I'm going to start snorting my shorts... there are limits to my underwriting and endorsement policies
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Crabman WayToRussified Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 401 Location: Middlesex	Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 9:50 pm    Post subject: 2Skip: I see that on another thread, you are asking for a area devoted to humour? How can you beat some of these sophomoric posts? LMAO! 2Everyone: I'm not picking on any particular person here (except maybe the guy who started this thread). Some of you make sense, but there is enough nonsense in this thread to keep any sane person in stitches. I'm a big fan of America Bashing myself, but come on! This thread should be left for the "whiskey bar" where we can all have at one another! 2SUNLEY: There is a key on the left side of your KEYBOARD LABELED "CAPS LOCK". PUSH IT! Thank you! By the way, are you that Microsoft Product Support person I keep trying to reach?
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Camrade VIP Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 516 Location: Санкт-Петербург	Posted: Wed Feb 09, 2005 11:49 pm    Post subject: 2Dr Fauste Quote: Camrade, it is obvious that you have NOT read Sun Tze the art of war. USSR tried to compete with USA in areas that they were not competive. Quite right. But about competitive/non-competitive areas. That's also obvious. After success in the WWII U.S.S.R. pretended on the domination in Europe, which meant world socialistical revolution, and it could happen if there weren't plan of Marshal But then it became the Cold War which was absoluteley unnecessary cause Truman was really afraid of the soviet menace... But anyway America exagerrated the potential of the USSR and the only thing she (America) was doing is fighting against the soviet union. But our economics was shit weaker so now we are in the ass and you (I know that you're not american but still you live on the continent ) dictate your politics to the world. What do I mean? I mean that I wasn't bashing the U.S., I was claiming my opinion: America provides it's interests with help of other countries to destroy another countries. Will you deny that U.S.A. have supported first world terrorists? They supported cause ussr attacked Afghanistan. I don't mean that the U.S. are bad guys and Russia are good guys. I mean that we have different point of views on how the world should look like. But still Russia can do nothing to hold U.S.A. politics of expansion.
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