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cconnawa · Just Starting Joined: 07 Feb 2005 Posts: 7

Can anybody can tell me exactly the procedure for getting a Russian Greencard or at least Temporary Resident?

I'm not interested in business visa information.

I"m looking for current and specific information about becoming a Temporary or Permanent Resident with work authorization and/or obtaining the Russian equivalent of a Greencard only.

I'm married to Russian Citizen i ya gavaryu po-Russkii.

wavetossed · WayToRussified Joined: 27 Jun 2004 Posts: 339

Start by reading the text of Federal law 115 FZ so that you know and understand the basic rules. You can find the official text of this law here http://editor.rg.ru/oficial/doc/federal_zak/115-fz.shtm and by using the search engine at http://www.rg.ru/ you can get the latest on other laws that may apply to your case.

If you are under 30, you could join the Russian military and after 3 or 5 years of service you will have full citizenship. That is only supposed to be for former SU countries but you might be able to get in anyhow if you have skills and speak colloquial Russian well enough.

cconnawa · Just Starting Joined: 07 Feb 2005 Posts: 7

as about the information on this website, waytorussia.net, under the section "russian visa/registration", titled "Temporary & Permanent Residents:
Note: December 2003 - Russian Nationality Rules Ease (Talk Lounge Russia Forums on waytorussia.net)........etc. "

is this information up to date? How about the 3 year registration? Any info on that or is it outdated?

btw, thanks for the law info.

swp4lfe · Posted: Sun Feb 20, 2005 8:28 pm Post subject:

privet i was also wondering what i would need to be a perminant resident in Moscow, RU. Do you know of any website in English. Is it possible to still be a resident of the U.S if i want to have one in Russia also?

wavetossed · WayToRussified Joined: 27 Jun 2004 Posts: 339

There is no point in looking for English language sites. I doubt that it is possible to become a permanent resident in Moscow if you cannot speak Russian.

The expats who live in Moscow for several years all use 1 year business visas and they have to leave Russia every 6 months to renew the visa or to apply for another 1 year extension.

If you really, really want to become a permanent resident of Russia, do these things in this order.

1. Learn enough Russian to be able to travel in Russia without the help of an interpreter.

2. Get a 1 year business visa and go to Russia.

3. Once you are there, talk to local immigration lawyers about the procedure. Look for lawyers that deal with people who are *NOT* from a former Soviet Union country.

4. Talk to some expats so that you know the rules for maintaining your 1 year business visa in good standing. You cannot afford to break any rules. Pay bribes rather than paying fines. Don't be upset if you need to extend your business visa for a year or two in order to work through all of the tedious process. Staying in good standing includes paying your income taxes in the way that the Russian Ministry of Finance wants them to be paid. Learn the rules.

As you can see, steps 3 and 4 are virtually impossible for someone who has not started at step 1.

Skip · Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 2:37 am Post subject:

Minor observation... Shocked

It's not necessary to leave Russia at least once every six months if you have a 12 months business visa, there is no rule that says you cannot remain for each and every day your visa is valid... Smile

swp4lfe · Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 8:56 pm Post subject:

Skip = How did u know my isp, ip, xp and all that?

Thanks for info but isnt there a 2 year Temporary Residents greencard or visa i could get?

Skip · Posted: Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:04 pm Post subject:

cconnawa · Just Starting Joined: 07 Feb 2005 Posts: 7

Skip · Posted: Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:32 pm Post subject:

If you don't like the sound of the place you could ask polite questions due to your inability to understand your own dilemma... or you are at liberty to of course also try elsewhere... Laughing

Do you think that posting remarks like you just have is really going to go down well with the people who have the expertise that you lack?

I doubt anyone will assist you if you set out with the attitude you seem to have, but then - that'll be nobody elses problem either... Rolling Eyes

mediashark · Moderator Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 1599

I don't believe Skip (or myself) has any part in the WTR business. Only the moderators of the board (WayToRussia)

The laws on the temporary residence are always changing, and currently I don't know of any good sources of info other than directly from the Russian government. And that's not including the bureaucrats you need to deal with.

The stuff on waytorussia.net provides you with the information on how should A, B and C be obtained in the most ideal conditions.

But it's Russia.

That's why people don't bother with temp registration unless they're really serious about staying in Russia (and as a step to get citizenship). It's just easier to renew 1 year business visas.

What WTR does is perfectly legal. And yes, it's pretty typical.

swp4lfe · Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:25 pm Post subject:

I agree with cconnawa. Whenever i ask questions about temporary residents or Visa. They always offer me a business visa or tourist visa where it seems like they want money for helping. And also some companies in Russia there main language is English. So eventho my Russian is not good if i worked in such company they would have to speak ENGLISH! I think the information on this website is accurate and true i dont think its false or anything im just saying I dont want a business visa or tourist. I want a temporary residents greencard and i will do all the steps and pay for whatever, and besides im not moving there untill 2 years if i do. I just wanna know the steps i have to go thro and thats why i ask for such information. And when i get responds like U NEED TO LEARN ALL RUSSIAN AND U NEED BUSINESS VISA. it just sounds like your trying to keep us out of russia unless well pay you for you help.

Skip · Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2005 9:36 pm Post subject:

You're too pre-opinionated to be helped in that case... but don't go blaming anyone here who has tried to help you for that problem because it's nothing to do with anyone barring yourself!!!

I would have thought you ought to secure your employment if it's serious and then let your Russian employer assist with your entry and residency requirements, it seems to me you're trying to put the cart before the horse...

You're lucky anyone tried to even assist you with the attitude you got there... not a word of thanks, just grumble, complain, bitch... Rolling Eyes

mediashark · Moderator Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 1599

Simply said, don't expect anybody to do anything for you or help you.

It is not going to be an easy process, much less a straight-forward one. The information you'll be geting will keep varying.

AND, it is nearly impossible to follow the steps if you are not in Russia--thus the visa offer's you're getting.

You can try to consult with a Russian law firm (not a travel agency) who offers the services for helping foreigners obtaining he temp. residence. At least they can provide you with some information with all the steps marked out more or less clearly. You may have to pay for such consulation (info can vary according to your case). If you can speak Russian you shouldnt have problems finding such a firm. Those that speak English charge rates upwards os 2000EUR.

And not to mention how to collect, translate, legalize, notarise each piece of paper from your government and how to complile and submit them etc

cconnawa · Just Starting Joined: 07 Feb 2005 Posts: 7

I have to apologize.

I may have mispoke and lashed out as a result of frustration (and as a result of my emotional and sometimes animated american character).

as i understand, a friend of my mother in-law works in the ministry of foreign affairs and they said that it's not allowed at all for foreigners to register privately for more than 65 days, unless your ukrainian, than you don't need to register at all. and it's almost impossible to obtain highly accurate and current information, regardless if you are in russia or not. i begin to understand, thats just what it means to live and be Russia.

it looks like i was wrong, but i think the information is best here, the best way to go is business visa, and at least i will have time to stay in russia until things change, get a good job, or learn about something else.

question:

as about working permission, if i get a business visa through a third party, such as this website, will i be able to work anywhere or will i have restrictions?

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