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Zeus · Frequent Guest Joined: 23 Mar 2005 Posts: 21

My girlfriend's family is from Tashkent, Uzbekistan. After the Soviet Union fell they stayed in Uzbekistan until 1996 when they moved to America. I read up now that since they did not register where they were living before December 2000 to russia, that they are no longer Russian citizens. Also since they did not register where they lived to the Uzbek embassy they are no longer Uzbek citizens. I don't think this is right, because they are pure russian by blood, speak Russian, and were born in the Soviet Union. They even still have their Soviet Union passports. And she can't even go to Russia without jumping through the same crazy visa hurdles.

Anyways did most Russians in the CIS countries move back to Russia after the Soviet Union fell? Or stay in the CIS countries? My girlfriend said there was some anti-russian racism when she lived there, is this still going on? Is dual citizenship allowed for russians in these countries? How easy is it for a Russian in the CIS to go to russia, do they need visas?

Zach10791 · Moderator Joined: 19 Mar 2005 Posts: 816

Zeus,

It usually was the complete opposite. My friend Marina lived in the Soviet Union and she left there when the USSR collapsed. As did many of her neighbors. Many people left because they were uncertainty of there future under the CIS. They went to countries like the US, Sweden, and England to name a few. In seeing how the CIS is like an EU style government it shouldn’t be to hard to enter Russia on visa, but I’m not 100 % sure of the laws regarding CIS entry so you SHOULD check on them.

cyndy22 · Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 3:52 am Post subject:

Zach,
You are quite cute in the sense that you are so young, naive but so open to the world especially Russia. But I gotta tell ya honey,I don't think WTR is really the best forum for you to experiment and voice your ideas and feelings about Russia. I know I know some here love to tell me quite frankly that I am too mother-like. So be it. And actually I don't think it is such a bad quality. I just think that you who are so fresh, open and innocent can do alot better. Wow, what does that say for the resz Shocked

of us?

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Anathema · Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 4:02 am Post subject:

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cyndy22 · Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:12 am Post subject:

Zach,
You're dead wrong. You might be cute, sweet,smart and open minded for your very young age but darling trust me, you are way out of your orbit here. I am sure your mommy and daddy have no clue what you are doing here. If you were my kid, I might be impressed that you are interested and make a huge effort on this rather fucked ,up but titallazing forum. Zach , you are a smart and nice kid, but you are not in an appropriate arena for your interests, values and age.

Our Sweet little Daisy Duck can say that I am defensive about having young, innocent people participate on this forum. And she is right. But Daisy while, she is young, is far from naive and innocent,. Even Miss DD recognizes your obvious innocence and limited experience. She is right. Zach, you can learn far more about Russians and former Soviet Republic Countries from other sources. PLEASE Do yourseldf a favor and move on.

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Zeus · Frequent Guest Joined: 23 Mar 2005 Posts: 21

well that was interesting.

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cyndy22 · Posted: Thu Mar 24, 2005 6:51 am Post subject:

Zach,

I can't waste my breath with you any more. Have a nice life.
And I am still laughing at your funny comment about how much you have endured in your precious life! LOL

Zach10791 · Moderator Joined: 19 Mar 2005 Posts: 816

Vic · Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 8:03 pm Post subject:

Zeus, please tell me, where is their place of birth? (The Uzbek SSR or the RSFSR? What does it say in their old Soviet passports?) If they were born in the RSFSR (what is now the Russian Federation) they can apply for Russian citizenship automatically (well, 1 year) if they were born in what is now Uzbekistan they would get citizenship ONLY if they lived in Russia for 5 uninterrupted years OR if they met one of the following conditions (in which case they would be able to get it automatically):
-If their parents currently have citizenship of the Russian Federation. (Article 14, part 2.a)

or they could argue under article 14 part 1 that states:
Foreign citizens and citizens without citizenship, 18 years of age and deemed mentally healthy have the right to apply for citizenship of the Russian Federation automatically bypassing conditions stated in part 13 of this federal law if the citizen and person:
a)....(not usefull for you)
b) had USSR citizenship, lived and live in states that were part of the USSR and did not recieve citizenship of these states in result becoming citizens without citizenship.

Now, if they did recieve US citizenship or whatever...nobody is going to check, you show the papers that have you living in Uzbekistan (as long as they don't say that you left to the US) show them your USSR passport, and say that you do not have Uzbek citizenship now. Simple as that.
Tell your friend 'Good luck' from me!
Vic
P.S. Unfortunately, the ministry of internal affairs (that issues citizenship) could care less if you are pure Russian or not (I know some people living in Latvia that found that out the hard way...although they got in now as political refugees).

katesh · Just Starting Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 1

Anyways did most Russians in the CIS countries move back to Russia after the Soviet Union fell? Or stay in the CIS countries? My girlfriend said there was some anti-russian racism when she lived there, is this still going on? Is dual citizenship allowed for russians in these countries? How easy is it for a Russian in the CIS to go to russia, do they need visas?[/quote]

Well, I'm Russian and I live in Kazakhstan, one of the USSR republics. I cannot say that I meet any racist attitude towards myself and Russians in general. Can't say the same for other former republics of the USSR, but it's of course true that a lot of Russians moved to Russia after the collapse of the USSR. But now there is another tendency - some of the are coming back now understanding that grass is always greener on another side, and in reality everything is the same if not worse.
Dual citizenship is not allowed in most of ex-republics of the USSR, but people have it:-)
And if you live in CIS, it's not a prooblem for you to visit any of its countries. I can go to Russia and other countries-members of CIS without any visa.