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bernhard_riemann Frequent Guest Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 41	Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 1:19 am    Post subject: Russian Universities Do Russians have popular knowledge of Harvard, Princeton, Yale--which are schools famous within the U.S.A. but possibly not outside. I cannot, myself name famous foreign schools other than Oxford, Cambridge. What Universities/Colleges/Institues do Russians aspire to go to? I recall the name Steklov Institute, in my mind, but do not remember why.
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Katyara Lounge Lizard Joined: 07 Feb 2005 Posts: 124 Location: Russia, Sakhalin island, Korsakov!	Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 4:14 am    Post subject: teenagers are pretty well familiar with universities like harvard, yale, oxford and cambridge... i personally think it depends on what part of russia you live in... i live in far east and one of the universities that is popular over there is DVGU or DVGTU which is located in Vladivostok... MGIMO, RUDN in Moscow...
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Intourist Talk Show Host Joined: 21 Dec 2004 Posts: 245 Location: Moscow	Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 8:35 am    Post subject: Most have heard of Harvard and Yale. Princeton is less recognized. Not sure why. Even more interesting is that Harvard is 'Garvard' but Yale gets an adjectidal ending to make it "Yaleski". Dunno why. After that, recognition of other universities is pretty limited. As for what they aspire to over here ? Probably the most prestigous are in Moscow. MGU (Moscow State University), MGIMO (State Institute for Foreign Relations) Maurice Thorez Institute of Foreign Lanaguages, or Baumanskii Technical University. But each major city usually has a decent large university. Leningrad State University is probably the second most famous after MGU. Each city has very specific institutes or academies which are typically smaller than the university and vocational. There's a 'Weights and Measuring Instruments' institute on my way to work, so where you aspire to may be what your vocational plans are based on as well. Regards, Intourist
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Keoki Lounge Lizard Joined: 21 Jan 2005 Posts: 117 Location: Moscow	Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2005 12:32 pm    Post subject: Intourist wrote: Most have heard of Harvard and Yale. Princeton is less recognized. Not sure why. Even more interesting is that Harvard is 'Garvard' but Yale gets an adjectidal ending to make it "Yaleski". Dunno why. After that, recognition of other universities is pretty limited. Harvard also gets an ending sometimes, "Garvardskiy Universitet." Quote: what they aspire to over here ? Probably the most prestigous are in Moscow. MGU (Moscow State University), MGIMO (State Institute for Foreign Relations) Maurice Thorez Institute of Foreign Lanaguages, or Baumanskii Technical University. But each major city usually has a decent large university. Leningrad State University is probably the second most famous after MGU. Officially it's St. Petersburg State University now. But "SPbGU" is so hard to say, so most people, even in St. P, still say "LGU." Their chemistry department is the most famous. MGU is considered the best place to study law, foreign relations at MGIMO, and languages at Maurice Thorez or the Herzen Instititute. For MBAs, it's popular to go abroad, though some are available in Russia.
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jumeh Just Starting Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 9 Location: Moscow	Posted: Sat Apr 23, 2005 4:26 pm    Post subject: russian people not only know about universities in USA or UK or Switzerland.. etc, but they study there, the best university in Russia especially in Moscow is Moscow State University (MSU) , and it's a well known fact that the quality of education there is as good as in Oxford, LSE or Harvard
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Only Frequent Guest Joined: 05 Mar 2005 Posts: 48	Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 5:23 am    Post subject: How could you guys forget Moscow FizTeh (physics and technology institute)? It is kind of Russian version of MIT, way more prestigious in it's field than both MGU and Bauman's, with many former students *teaching* in Harvard et al now
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renwan Talk Show Host Joined: 29 Oct 2004 Posts: 204	Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 7:30 pm    Post subject: Ufa has the best aviation university, we yearly get hundreds of foreign students that study here. Soviet Education stills kicking ass.
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MrSpice Lounge Wizard Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 3431	Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:16 pm    Post subject: I saw that "ass-kicking" first-hand. When I was in St Petersburg 4 weeks ago, I visited my old school - Polytechnic University. It looks pretty bad. The buildings clearly require painting and the whole campus is in a bad shape. I don't think professors that teach there make any reasonable money. I bet many of the brightest stars teach and work right here - in the US now...
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e VIP Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 654	Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 9:43 pm    Post subject: Ironic thing is Spice, you are a byproduct of the Soviet educational system and of this "ass-kicking". And as Renwan states, why do hundreds of foreign students still flock to Russian schools yearly including one poster in this forum who is going there, while international students in the US have been steadily decreasing? Last edited by e on Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:47 pm; edited 1 time in total
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MrSpice Lounge Wizard Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 3431	Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:04 pm    Post subject: I don't know why and how many foreign students "flock" to Russian universities now. I studied there at the time when the borders were pretty much closed, the salatries the proffesorts were getting were sufficient to lead a decent life and the universities were funded by the defence industry and were considered priority above many other things. Nowadays, any talented proffesor can find a job that pays more and leave russia if he/she wants to, so freedom in that sense created a problem for russian universities - they want to retain the best and brightest but can't. And the university I went to - which was and probably still is considered the best technical school in St Petersburg - was in a better condition then. Any education institution requires significant investment over time - from research funding to basic upkeep to scholarships and other funds. That investment is lacking in Russia today. I think decrease in the number of people has more to do with more strict visa requirements than with anything else. And the popularity of russian education has more to do with the fact that you can get decent education at a very low cost compare to the money you have to shell out in the west.
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e VIP Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 654	Posted: Fri Jul 08, 2005 10:15 pm    Post subject: Quote: And the popularity of russian education has more to do with the fact that you can get decent education at a very low cost compare to the money you have to shell out in the west. Quote: I think decrease in the number of people has more to do with more strict visa requirements than with anything else So essentially Spice, you just answered your own question as to why students still go to Russia to study. And this all goes back to the orginal consensus found in the Soviet Medical thread, there is no one perfect system out there and they all have their highs and lows here and there.
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init6 WayToRussified Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Posts: 363 Location: Москва, Россия	Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 9:47 am    Post subject: Wow, another series of arguments on WTR! How fresh and new! Anyhow, I actually am going to Russia because I can't afford to get a decent education in the US. It' s a seriously problem in this country, but plenty of people manage to do it. I didn't want to take any student loans (why should I be in debt to get an education?!), and because I waited a good long while (I'm 25) to commit to college. I can't get any financial aid and the money my parents saved for my college evaporated in 2000 because it was in the "stock market." The market is a ridiculous fantasy of speculation, where one simply has to have money to make money and it doesn't deal in any hard currency or commodities, but I digress (being a dirty pinko and not much of a "patriot" ). But I do understand that Russian universities are struggling for funding. I'm lucky enough to be attending MGU, but I hope that I can get accepted directly after I become fluent in Russian (I don't have a real sterling academic record in the US because I have no motivation in my home town where I went "community" college, hence I have a good bit of "F"s because I stopped attending - yes, they have attendance requirements like I'm in 10th grade). Anyhow, I reserve judgement about Russian instiutions until I experience some.
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renwan Talk Show Host Joined: 29 Oct 2004 Posts: 204	Posted: Sat Jul 09, 2005 4:48 pm    Post subject: Buildings require maintenance, most of them have not been updated since the USSR times, esides Moscow which isnt russia anyway.. education in our country stills being in a much higher standard than anywhere else(besides North Korea),but it can not be compared with the USSR...those were times of a great educational level!
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Intourist Talk Show Host Joined: 21 Dec 2004 Posts: 245 Location: Moscow	Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 11:26 am    Post subject: renwan wrote: Buildings require maintenance, most of them have not been updated since the USSR times, esides Moscow which isnt russia anyway.. education in our country stills being in a much higher standard than anywhere else(besides North Korea),but it can not be compared with the USSR...those were times of a great educational level! Renwan obviously is oblivious to the myriad problems that Russian education has faced in the past 15 years like rampant bribery (from Kindergarten through university), near complete lack of funding, severely reduced enrollment in all departments except Economics, endemic cheating, copying of theses, etc, etc, etc. Sad, really, both what's become of a Russian education, and Renwan's stubborn refusal to acknowledge reality.
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MrSpice Lounge Wizard Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 3431	Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2005 6:02 pm    Post subject: init6: I am just curious, are you going to enroll in a college in Russia? How much are you going to pay for that? I think you forgot to mention scholorships that can be awarded to studetns that demonstrate academic achievent at the US colleges. Also, many state and community colleges are heavily subsidized in the US and are not that expensive for residents. It varies from state to state. But in your state, education at Florida State University is rather cheap for state residents like you: http://www.sfs.fsu.edu/tuitrates.html That loan would be a small one. I cannot imagine you are getting a much better deal in Russia.
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