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Mogsfan
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 Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Again, as I mentioned and as Vic mentioned, how exactly? You seemingly feel so condfident in pointing out bad things and pointing how it can change, elaborate? How can he "invest" in his own country? If the US and the EU can "financing other countries and people with ulterior motives" why can't Russia? |
Do you know the expression "taking the high road?"
What do you say "your EU?" |
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Vic
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 7:36 pm Post subject: |
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Vic, you are too dense to even reply to. |
I'm not the one talking complete bullshit here 
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Do you know the expression "taking the high road?" |
No I don't. Please elaborate.
| Quote: | | It's funny you name all those countries. Many of those, are dying to get out of their country. There is a huge population in poverty. |
Singapore has the third highest GDP per capita income in Asia, Thailand comes in behind at 5th, meanwhile Chile has the largest GDP per capita income in Latin America as well as its most stable economy. Ditto for South Africa. All of those countries are experiencing huge influxes of immigrants from its poorer neighbors.
| Quote: | | I found things I dislike about Putin. |
I know you have. None of it is true.
| Quote: | | He is behaving like Bush. |
Yet I was able to prove the opposite. You haven't been able to concreteley do it once.
| Quote: | | Do you seriously think Syria/Iran are that innocent? I am not making judgements yet but why sell them arms etc.? |
Why not sell them arms? They have a right to defend themselves right? Name a country in the world that is "innocent". A point I made very clear.
| Quote: | | I was merely stating that I think Russia should stay neutral and finance their investments in other ways. |
Such as? You keep saying such stupid crap but you can't seem to elaborate? You're the authority on how bad bad bad Putin and Russia is, elaborate? How does a huge country like that that was once a superpower and "stuck its nose everywhere" stay neutral?
| Quote: | | Now, he is sticking his nose in the Middle-East trade of weapons mess |
Trade of weapons mess I have no idea what that means but in terms of mid east politics, everyone has been sticking their nose in that place for decades, since the Crusades even. Sooo???
| Quote: | | I'm not the one talking complete bullshit here |
That is so true  |
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Vic
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| Posted: Sat Apr 30, 2005 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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Why not sell them arms? They have a right to defend themselves right? Name a country in the world that is "innocent". A point I made very clear. |
I believe that Mogsfan shares the view with Bush, which is - Any country that does not help the United States of America in stabilizing its inflow of crude oil is automatically "evil", thus denying it any right to defend itself in any way, in any situation. Any country that is "evil", when under pressure from the U.S. to allow its inspectors should allow them access. After the inspectors find nothing, the countries in question should unconditionally and allow the U.S. occupation squadron.
The U.S. occupational forces:
Have the right to defend themselves against any sort of threat and have the authorization to fire without warning upon (but not limited to) children playing football, Italian special forces rescuing hostages, Canadian soldiers performing combat exercises. Any prisoners of war are to be treated as entertainment and for photographical purposes for the folks back home.
But really,
I think he doesn't want the United States to have any competition in this matter. It is the only reason I can think of of why he could try to justify such stupid statements. Really now, please enlighten us Mogsfan, if WE do not sell weapons so these countries can protect themselves against ACTUAL terrorists, WHO will?
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Trade of weapons mess I have no idea what that means but in terms of mid east politics, everyone has been sticking their nose in that place for decades, since the Crusades even. Sooo???
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I also have trouble understanding what this means. Could have something to do with his failure to use proper grammar, but I think he was trying to say that Putin should not "participate in the sales of weapons to middle eastern countries". Now, I would like an explanation from him. PLEASE Mogsfan, ENLIGHTEN US - Why should we not sell weapons to countries that are located in the Middle East and do not give in to Bush's provocations? Now, DO YOU have any proof that they are going to use these weapons for the purpose of terrorism? Keep in mind, shooting down Israeli aircraft that are VIOLATING the sovereign airspace of Syria is NOT considered terrorism. Now, in the past, NEITHER Syria or Lebanon participated in any terrorist activities. (Note: Hezbollah is NOT a terrorist organization, not many countries consider it to be one. It was simply fighting off an illegal Israeli occupation - one that the United States did not support, if I am not mistaken?) It does seem that you are a brainwashed individual, and I do not care where you are from, but you are making statements that usually come from someone that has been listening to Bush's statements too much.
The Russian Federation is acting as a counter-balance to Bush's...so I do not see anything wrong with this. |
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Mogsfan
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Mogsfan
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| Quote: | | The Russian Federation is acting as a counter-balance to Bush's...so I do not see anything wrong with this. |
Of course you don't. 
Unbelievable...
Oh, btw...
| Quote: | | DO YOU have any proof that they are going to use these weapons for the purpose of terrorism? |
The critique is not about this. But, since you brought it up. These countries all hate each other. Syria/Iran etc. absolutely HATE (with a capital 'H') the United States and Israel. With a passion. The U.S. has already illustrated to the world that they can't be trusted. Does this mean we can trust Iran, Syria et al. NO! Unless you are a gullible moron. Go ahead and trust them if you want...That is one of my points. |
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| Quote: | | Syria/Iran etc. absolutely HATE (with a capital 'H') |
Read that one again; You're an idiot
BTW none of those links had anything to do with Russia except for the very last one and that is generally supportive of Putin. :p Besides, anyone who uses trashy internet alternative press and blogs as facts and the basis of his opinion deserve to be laughed at.
You still haven't directly addressed any the points I or even Vic for that matter in the last couple of posts. Instead, now you're calling us kids when you've displayed the most childish tendencies here: making baseless points based on some deluded personal opinion and not fact. Besides, you type and spell like a 12 year old anyway: "in the Middle-East trade of weapons mess" That one kills me.
Answer the question: why is not ok to sell weapons to Syria? But its ok to sell weapons to Israel? Pakistan? Egypt? and loads of other not-so nice countries?
Vic is right, you are a Republican masquerading as a Bush-hater that talks out of his ass. |
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mister_wizzz
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 9:20 am Post subject: |
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Wow, keep cool Mogs, it is just a forum. It would be a pity you leave WTR, you are one of my favourite poster (with Mr Spice).
So, go get a beer and come back.  |
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Mogsfan
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 10:03 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Wow, keep cool Mogs, it is just a forum. It would be a pity you leave WTR, you are one of my favourite poster (with Mr Spice).
So, go get a beer and come back. |
Really? Thanks for the kind words, misterwizz. I like your posts as well. Yeah, there are still some good posters left. |
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mister_wizzz
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 10:10 am Post subject: |
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Answer the question: why is not ok to sell weapons to Syria? But its ok to sell weapons to Israel? Pakistan? Egypt? and loads of other not-so nice countries?
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Customer is always right
Weapon is a good business, a country which sells weapons to another only want to get some money, talking about right to countries to defend themselves is complete bullshit.
Why France is trying to beak embargo on China, do you really think Chirac thought about the right of China to defend itself ? no.... it is only because France is the 3rd (or may the second) weapon exportater.
The only thing weapon sellers have to be careful about is not selling too sophisticated arms, those ones could be used on their allies or even against them like Argentina did with french exocet missiles against the British. |
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Mogsfan
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| Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 10:27 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | a country which sells weapons to another only want to get some money, talking about right to countries to defend themselves is complete bullshit.
Why France is trying to beak embargo on China, do you really think Chirac thought about the right of China to defend itself ? no.... it is only because France is the 3rd (or may the second) weapon exportater.
The only thing weapon sellers have to be careful about is not selling too sophisticated arms, those ones could be used on their allies or even against them like Argentina did with french exocet missiles against the British. |
Good point! The funny thing is I am against all these countries with their arms deals, U.S., Canada (yeah, apparently, they want dealings with China), hmmm... and the rest. What is even more amusing is these new guys here (well, they are recent) accusing me of Bush sympathies. Now, that is a riot. I don't want to go into politics right now but I just thought I'd make it clear.
Your last point also reminds me of the quote in which Putin is assuring Israel that the missle is not long range. The quote is something along the lines of "don't worry; you would have to attack Syria in order to be harmed and you're not going to do that, are you?!?" Very clever, Mr. Putin, sir!
Israel sure isn't innocent but I just think all the countries should stay out of that business. Russia could have been one to set the example but nope...I guess they need to make money...
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vorteks
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Yes Mogfan, your contribution is appreciated. You are one of the rare posters that can keep a critical eye on his own identity/nationality, which is an evidence of intelligence and strength of character. Pity you couldn t avoid to fall into the so trendy here name calling trap that weakens a position rather than making it more coherent.
E and Vic prove if needed that there is a strong feeling of frustration amongst some russians based on the nostalgy of the soviet (russian?) empire. They are the russian neo cons and would have supported Bush were they born in USA. Their nationality IS their identity. I wouldnt mind a counter balance to the current unilaterality that usamerican lobbies abuse, but unfortunatly Russia doesnt have the means of its ambitions, the evidence is the development of US bases in all former sovietic territories (which feeds even further russian nationalism). The counter balance will come from China (25% of humanity) which proves its ability to produce wealth and finances western democracies standard of living (deficits). |
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Vic
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Vorteks, if I was born in the U.S. I would not have supported Bush because with him in office, the situation in the U.S. is degrading, but with Putin in Russia, it is improving. See the difference?
The American bases are absolutely useless and do the Americans no good other than drain several more billion from their already immense budget defecit. Also, they are stretching their resources too thin. Much like the Roman Empire, the Brittish Empire, and the Soviet Empire. The current actions of the U.S. is just accelerating its already innevitable demise. I could care less that they have bases in some former Soviet countries because they are absolutely useless to them, their only possible purpose is to try to provoke us. Everyone knows very well that the U.S. will not dare to use them against us. We do a good enough job of counterbalancing the U.S. in recent years. The faster the U.S. empire collapses, the better for the rest of the world.
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mister_wizzz
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A lot of people would like USA weren't so powerful (including me) but they are. It is true Iraqi mess cost a lot to USA and what ? Vietnam war cost much more and USA were developping Apollo project at the same time and this country is still the most powerful 40 years later.
Iraqi war make run their industry and they will manage to pay the bill using their currency. Did you notice dollar felt down 30% since the beginning of the war, it is not innocent.
All economist specialists agree dollar is overestimated, this drive European governments crazy but they are unable to conterbalance it. This allow USA to sell their Boeing 30% cheaper than a Airbus for instance, you follow me ?
As for Russia could counterbalance USA in the next century, I don't want to offend you Vic but I don't think it will be the case. The next USA conterbancer will be China. |
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Vic
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Actually, we are counterbalancing them. China will not need to counterbalance anyone. They are the next empire. U.S. has 30 years left, and thats tops.
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