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mediashark Moderator Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 1599	Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 6:24 pm    Post subject: I've dropped dmitry an email. See what he says. I think we need a few general moderators who will be online often to take care of the spam bots, spammers, flame baits and really offensive posts that will end up in all parts of the forum. Kind of like a janitor-job, yeah. But this board nees a big clean-up.
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e VIP Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 654	Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 7:35 pm    Post subject: Quote: e: i invite you and others who want to know how moderating a board works, to try this at a quickly created forum of my own: http://haagsebroedplaatsen.nl/sandbox/ it has a forum called 'anarchistic zone'. anyone who wants to moderate this can do so by registering and joining the usergroup 'moderators'. this will require authorisation though by the user 'dinges'. if you want to be quicker, just log in as 'dinges' username: dinges password: dinges this should give you a better idea of the privileges a moderator has on a phpBB board. be quick, for i will delete the board within a few days, because it is a waste of expensive webspace I took it for a spin Rick. It seems very easy and very powerful and it reenforces my postion as why no one in here should be moderators. It can be used and abused to someones pleasure and dismay. Multiple moderators could compromise security (pass and user name could fall into wrong hands). In hindsight, the only people that should moderate it are site owners or webmasters, not forum users. Dimitry will onlyrepeat what he's said before: moderate yourselves. He said that he'd take care of the bots, spammers and flamers himself. If he does pick one, i'tll be someone he'll pick himself, probably without our say, and someone doens't participate often.
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waytorussia Frequent Guest Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Posts: 14	Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 9:12 pm    Post subject: Paul Holmes wrote: Quote: This forum is not the whole site and those who claim that the whole way to russia site is poor quality -- well, it means that you just didn't look further than this forum... Really, in December, you could not book a flight in 2005. It was your site, not infinity.ru. Train tickets are still at zero dollars, but so is polznet.ru. So you can not be blamed for that. You have 1/2 hour wait to call to get through on your phone lines. Language section was awol for a long time. I tried to give some business when I was in Russia, but your network was so screwed that I could not. Broken links, hackers and so on. Sites that are hacked really make people not want to personal information like passport numbers, credit cards and so forth. This forum is the least of your worries. But hey you have a nice new logo. Congrats!!! Very funny. Then I really advise you to stop wasting your time and STOP COMING TO THIS WEBSITE, Paul. Really, be free to use whatever other resource about Russia you can find. All your critics is crap. This site is an information resource and you're referring to the problems you experienced with service providers advertised on this site. If you are having a problem, record the time when the problem occured and send it to our feedback@waytorussia.net e-mail and we'll deal with the service providers and make them work better (this is guaranteed, and many customers who were linked to the service by Way to Russia will agree). Anyway, to protect our advertisers I can say this: The airline tickets are booked by Infinity Travel and their monthly reports and commission show that people who are able to use the internet book cheap flights within Russia successfully. The train tickets site explicitly says WHY the tickets are priced at 0 dollars -- simply because they don't know what price the Russian railways will give them. Again, if you cared to read, you would know that. The phone line of Way to Russia is set to have a caller on hold for max 2 minutes (you get disconnected if the wait is longer than that). Your claims of 1/2 hour waits are simply a LIE. Finally, Way to Russia does not record any personal information here like cards numbers and stuff -- to enter all this our advertisers send the customers to secure and protected servers of payment processors, who make sure the data is 100% secure. It seems like you like to whine and complain more than to just look at things objectively.
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Paul-Holmes Lounge Wizard Joined: 12 Apr 2005 Posts: 1073	Posted: Mon May 09, 2005 9:29 pm    Post subject: Quote: Anyway, to protect our advertisers I can say this: The airline tickets are booked by Infinity Travel and their monthly reports and commission show that people who are able to use the internet book cheap flights within Russia successfully. BS, I had to go to them directly, because your search engine in December would not allow a search 2005. I hit refresh and refresh. Should I sent you the email? I stated that I understood the train ticket situation. It is the sameway at your partner. I can give the phone bill on your wait time being more than 2 minutes. I phoned twice in Canada and once in Russia. I had to phone Infinity.RU also and I was on hold for a long time also. The date was March 31,2005 and the time 9:00 am Moscow time. I was using a long distance calling card in Yoshkar-Ola. I also phoned your hotline March 20 &21. It would have been 10 am Moscow time. I can give exact times later if need it. I have evidence, what do you have ? Nothing. If I have evidence , I guess that means that I am not lying. 3 times Dmitri. Security- Everybody concern especially when a website gets hacked by a Frenchman posing as an Arab. But you were not the only one. He hacked the expat site also. As the T-Shirt says, Shit happens. Bulletin Software has huge holes in it and is frequently hacked. I know you use open source software and the Expats use Vbulletin 3.0.7. Nice try, you know that I am not lying.
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MrSpice Lounge Wizard Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 3431	Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 12:43 am    Post subject: Paul: You should have a son and name him Sherlock - that is his only chance to survive in this brutal world...
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Rick Moderator Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 854 Location: Касабланка	Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 1:11 am    Post subject: mediashark wrote: I've dropped dmitry an email. See what he says. I think we need a few general moderators who will be online often to take care of the spam bots, spammers, flame baits and really offensive posts that will end up in all parts of the forum. Kind of like a janitor-job, yeah. But this board nees a big clean-up. tough.. a 'janitor-job' could be organised on short notice to keep the forum running smoothly as it is. it is easy to give people limited rights to (parts of) the forum and have them maintain it. but reorganizing the whole place, with the following data in mind: Quote: Our users have posted a total of 15208 articles We have 2817 registered users you can't just consider all of these posts and users as 'junk' and just start anew. they represent a significant amount of (practical) knowledge. completely rearranging it would be a herculanean task though. i am not sure how this should be organized for this purpose it is not necessary to pick a moderator from amidst the forum's regular users. it doesn't require frequent visits to the forum, but merely takes a lot of time for the people that do the job. final results should reflect waytorussia site's philosophy, not just the interests and ideas of forum users. best role for the users would probably be to just give them a voice in the process. to provide good ideas, ensuring the participation and lifeliness in the community in the future. besides: much of this work probably requires administrator privileges. you don't want those spread around among users. unless you are prepared losing the whole forum a couple of times :S dmitri's answer represents common sense, getting some help to maintain the forum until plans for a restructuring are ready to be implemented (well, i don't know if there are any such plans, but there are several ideas/ suggestions coming from the forum itself)
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waytorussia Frequent Guest Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Posts: 14	Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 12:34 pm    Post subject: Paul Holmes wrote: I can give the phone bill on your wait time being more than 2 minutes. I phoned twice in Canada and once in Russia. I had to phone Infinity.RU also and I was on hold for a long time also. The date was March 31,2005 and the time 9:00 am Moscow time. I was using a long distance calling card in Yoshkar-Ola. I also phoned your hotline March 20 &21. It would have been 10 am Moscow time. I can give exact times later if need it. I have evidence, what do you have ? Nothing. If I have evidence , I guess that means that I am not lying. 3 times Dmitri. Paul, YOU ARE ALWAYS RIGHT YOU ARE ALWAYS RIGHT YOU ARE ALWAYS RIGHT YOU ARE ALWAYS RIGHT YOU ARE ALWAYS RIGHT YOU ARE ALWAYS RIGHT YOU ARE ALWAYS RIGHT YOU ARE ALWAYS RIGHT YOU.... [<deleted some bits. we can read, thanks> mod: is this some sort of test for the new mods? ] Are you happy now? The HotLine is a free service and it's written on the page that you might have nobody answering to you. If we were getting money from the Russian government giving free information to people, we would be happy to put a few people on 24-hour shifts, but when you have to find other ways to make a living without comprimising on the guide's independence and information quality, you can't do everything you want. But again, we asked the phone company to set the maximum wait time to 2 minutes not to waste people's time, so I will contact them and see what happened on that day and why you had to wait longer. Anyway, Paul, I stopped communicating with you when I saw what kind of person you are. I won't go further into personal stuff, but it will be enought to say that have an allergy for opinionated people who think they are doing the RIGHT thing.
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Mogsfan WayToRussified Joined: 03 Nov 2004 Posts: 490	Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 3:45 pm    Post subject: Quote: Dimitry will onlyrepeat what he's said before: moderate yourselves. He said that he'd take care of the bots, spammers and flamers himself. If he does pick one, i'tll be someone he'll pick himself, probably without our say, and someone doens't participate often. Nice and ideal in theory but it doesn't work. The affirmo machine proves it. In my view of things, Dimitry and Alice are often busy and therefore, there will be times when the bots and spammers post to their heart's content. It's a rare occurrence when posters can moderate "themselves" and with all due respect (and no insult intended), I don't see that happening on this board. It is to the main mods' benefit to have a little bit of help. However, imho, I think additional mods should be Russian or in Russia. At the very least, they should have been to Russia.
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Paul-Holmes Lounge Wizard Joined: 12 Apr 2005 Posts: 1073	Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 9:32 pm    Post subject: Quote: Anyway, Paul, I stopped communicating with you when I saw what kind of person you are. I won't go further into personal stuff, but it will be enought to say that have an allergy for opinionated people who think they are doing the RIGHT thing. Mudak. obvious allergies isn't to all the drugs you smoke. Last edited by Paul-Holmes on Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:50 am; edited 2 times in total
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mediashark Moderator Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 1599	Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 9:50 pm    Post subject: Myself and Rick are already doing out best to delete spam posts, winston posts and the like. It took the whole day. We can't ban users as of now. And yes, if you guys moderate yourselves, it'll make our job a bit easier.
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Paul-Holmes Lounge Wizard Joined: 12 Apr 2005 Posts: 1073	Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 10:01 pm    Post subject: IPs. Last edited by Paul-Holmes on Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:48 am; edited 1 time in total
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mediashark Moderator Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 1599	Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 10:21 pm    Post subject: I can see your IP addresses just fine but I can't do anything about them. If you have issues, just leave and stop giving the rest of us problems with your issues about you wanting to leave.
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cyndy22 Lounge Wizard Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 1076 Location: massachusetts	Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 11:08 pm    Post subject: Paul, Mediashark is right. If you don't want to contribute you can simply not login. Why is it all or nothing with you? You have some remarkable qualities as others also do here, but Dmitri is right. You always have to be right. And I know you like the drama, but frankly it is a short coming that everything is all or nothing. You are not the only one with values. Sure you can leave. That is your choice. I do think and I am sure that others agree, that you do often contribute witty, thoughtful and yes provocative discussion here. You will be missed if you leave. You don't have to banned. You don't have to terminate yourself on WTR. You can avoid the forum and study and you can choose when you want to contribute. It's not all or nothing. These are not insults just constructive criticsm from a friend!
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Paul-Holmes Lounge Wizard Joined: 12 Apr 2005 Posts: 1073	Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 11:28 pm    Post subject: values. Last edited by Paul-Holmes on Sun Sep 04, 2005 7:46 am; edited 1 time in total
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mediashark Moderator Joined: 04 Nov 2004 Posts: 1599	Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 11:50 pm    Post subject: No, it took longer than that--some work was done by mediashark. Paul--send Dmitry a PM and email to ban your IP. Don't bother me or other mods about it. It took all day to get this board sorted out from a long time of neglect. I'm not in the best of moods now to sort this particular problem out. Funny time to choose to leave the board. If you didn't like a post or felt offended by it why didn't you PM one of the mods? There're a few mods to choose from now.
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