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Siexela Just Starting Joined: 05 Jul 2005 Posts: 9	Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 9:15 pm    Post subject: And it was a facetious response; hence the anagram. Nevertheless, allow me to remind you all that Stalin; the man who most of you subconsciously think about when discussing the Caucasus; was Ossetian; thereby CAUCASIAN. I also might well have to add that Beslan happened TO Caucasians, not Americans or other people. Furthermore, Slavs have throughout history been slaves to Caucasians(be it Avars(Dagestanis) or whoever) and never ONCE the other way around. Finding this a little hard to believe? Then allow me to help you out: http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/section/Slavs_DominationandExpansion.asp The irony is almost incomprehensible.. but please don't let me stop you..
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init6 WayToRussified Joined: 01 Jun 2005 Posts: 363 Location: Москва, Россия	Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 9:32 pm    Post subject: Then why did Stalin pack up all his "countrymen" in Chechnya and truck them all to Kazakhstan because they wouldn't behave? "Caucasians" were part of the slaving groups because they are often of Mongol-Turkic descent. In the end, the Russians defeated both the Mongols and the Turks and liberated the Ukrainians from slavery. Don't serfs count as slaves? Furthermore, I miss why anyone would be proud about enslaving another group of peoples, or vice versa.
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e VIP Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 654	Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 9:47 pm    Post subject: Casey is correct. This backs him up: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_East_Slavs Quote: In the eighth and ninth centuries, many East Slavic tribes paid tribute to the Khazars, a Turkic-speaking people who adopted Judaism in the late eighth or ninth century and lived in the southern Volga and Caucasus regions. You should also throw in the Vikings too: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Early_East_Slavs Quote: By the ninth century, Scandinavian warriors and merchants, called Varangians (more commonly known as Vikings), had penetrated the East Slavic regions. See Kievan Rus' for continuation. Casey has it right. The Russians reconquered the area and have held it tightly under their grip ever since. Stopping all attempts at independence throughout the age. Even now despite independence, Russia has managed to retake and control a significant chunk of Georgia: Abkhazia, Ossetia, and Ajaria and virtually crushed independence and resistance in Chechnya, Dagestan, and Ingushtetia.
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Siexela Just Starting Joined: 05 Jul 2005 Posts: 9	Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:08 pm    Post subject: You answered your first question at the end of the sentance. Nevertheless: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Stalin#Childhood_and_early_years If we are talking timelines, then Slavs have been slaves to Caucasians for the length of a limousine, compared to the length of a postage stamp the other way around(and even then, with the troubles that were faced you could never have truly called it slavery per se - MORE concessions were made to them and the Mongols than any single other European expansive expedition). So I maintain with integrity that the irony is incomprehensible.. and I think you will find thats somewhat different to pride.
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Siexela Just Starting Joined: 05 Jul 2005 Posts: 9	Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:41 pm    Post subject: If you call all those concessions given even as far as Belarus http://www.pravapis.org/art_kitab1_en.asp holding it tightly under her grip, then yes, you are right. If you call the current state of affairs ever since initial conception and the humiliating 1996 defeat in Chechnya: 'crushing' resisitance then yes, you are right. But you know, after having read some of your other posts, I'm willing to concede it all to you. Very good, carry on.. Last edited by Siexela on Wed Jul 06, 2005 1:42 am; edited 1 time in total
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Siexela Just Starting Joined: 05 Jul 2005 Posts: 9	Posted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 10:56 pm    Post subject: Sorry, I almost missed this one, and I wouldn't want you to be misled or anything: Quote: In the eighth and ninth centuries, many East Slavic tribes paid tribute to the Khazars, a Turkic-speaking people who adopted Judaism in the late eighth or ninth century and lived in the southern Volga and Caucasus regions. Now I don't know whether you realize this, but the fact that East Slavic Tribes 'paid tribute' to them means they held them in a higher esteem. At least thats the idea behind a tribute.
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