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Odabo Frequent Guest Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 59 Location: Florida USA	Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 7:34 am    Post subject: Browse Your Eyes OuT A couple of URLs, http://www.ummagurau.com/art/russia/index.htm 100 Year old COLOR photographs of Russia. http://aton-impuls.narod.ru/ Small Tundra Vehicle, not restricted to offroad use, can cross water. Engine is located in the middle of the vehicle and so can be serviced while being sheltered inside. ( Page can be extremely slow.) http://cardi.da.ru/ Hubba Hubba ! Not Russian but a very cool car. http://www.aquada.co.uk/ Also Not Russian, but it is red ! http://www.watercar.com/index.html YOu Can see Russia from here, and in "English". http://earth.google.com/ Requires downloading a free program, on a network the program was about 5.5 Megabyte On a dialup the SAME? program was about 10.5 Megabyte. Easy to use, buttons for toggling country & city boarders roads & railroads. Check out the tilting stuff. I find about 12000 FT eye height usualy the lowest I want to go. program goes to about 3300 FT eye height it's self when arriving. Watch the streaming percentage. To get to Chernobyl type in Chornobyl Ukraine . Terraforming of Palm Islands & Earth off coast of Dubai, United Arab Emirates, looks like it's just barely Starting. I thought they were nearly completed !. See http://www.gizmag.com article on the Dubai project.
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e VIP Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 654	Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:03 am    Post subject: Quote: YOu Can see Russia from here, and in "English". http://earth.google.com/ Requires downloading a free program, on a network the program was about 5.5 Megabyte On a dialup the SAME? program was about 10.5 Megabyte. Easy to use, buttons for toggling country & city boarders roads & railroads. Check out the tilting stuff. I find about 12000 FT eye height usualy the lowest I want to go. program goes to about 3300 FT eye height it's self when arriving. Watch the streaming percentage. Already there mate. But you dont even need to download that program. You can do it through Google maps: http://maps.google.com. The only problem with this one is that you dont get the roads, railroads, and 3D option. Moscow from outer space: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=55.707550,37.704391&spn=0.482059,0.625568&t=k&hl=en St. Pete from outer space: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=59.895826,30.272827&spn=0.215941,0.670578&t=h&hl=en And thanks for the very interesting link of the antiquidatedcolor photos of Russia. And if you want good pics of Chernobyl, try: http://www.kiddofspeed.com/
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njetski Just Starting Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 9 Location: Sweden	Posted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 12:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Browse Your Eyes OuT Odabo wrote: http://www.ummagurau.com/art/russia/index.htm 100 Year old COLOR photographs of Russia. Incredible. These things really fascinates me, like travelling back in time. I have an old View-Master Model D at home, real 3-dimensional colour pictures from the 1940-1950's, can recommend as well. You can get lots of old reels at eBay very cheap.
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Odabo Frequent Guest Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 59 Location: Florida USA	Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 7:06 am    Post subject: Slow as earth.google is on dialup, I checked maps.google and it seems 5 times slower for me than earth! "And if you want good pics of Chernobyl, try: " http://www.kiddofspeed.com/ Thanks e , I'd seen the sight long ago but had forgotten it's URL. Went back to see if I could identify the exact location of the Chernobyl NPP on earth.google. I enjoyed the woman's site as much the second time as the first, I kept on googling and wound up finding the woman's story incorporates quite a lie. Any way, I finaly found an aerial someone else finaly found that ID's the plant realy well. Most of the reference I'd run across locates the plant somewhere south of Pripyat, it is NORTH. Study the 2.7 MB photo at: http://home.aland.net/peter.sjoberg/stalker/chernobyl_nuclearplant2003.jpg On earth.google go to Chornobyl Ukraine and then direct cursor over 51 23 31.48 North & 30 05 59.70 East The plant is at the north end of the very large manmade lake north of Pripyat. The accident occured in Unit Four, April 1986 . Generating Facility finaly shut down in 2000. The post-accident containment structure built over the steam exploded core is crumbling and is going to be fixed. Three accidents in the northern end of the Chelyabinsk Oblast ( East of Ufa Russia ) at weapons plants in the 1950's supposedly realeased 10 times the contamination of the Chernobyl disaster. Even more disturbing was disposal of wastes and accident debris from both Chelyabinsk & Chernobyl disasters that resulted in severe contamination of nearby areas. Hindsight is 20/20, but I can't believe the people in charge did not know far better, than to allow what was done. Other Chernobyl ref. http://www.ic-chernobyl.kiev.ua/e.htm http://pripyat.com/
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e VIP Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 654	Posted: Sun Jul 24, 2005 8:12 pm    Post subject: Geez, I can't imagine why anyone whould attempt Google earth and Google maps on dial up. Those programs take up significant amounts of system resources. Kudos to you for getting it running on a dialup. You must have a strong machine. The New York Times wrote an article that proved that www.kiddofspeed" aka Elena Filatova was more or less faked: http://travel2.nytimes.com/2005/06/15/international/europe/15chernobyl.html?ex=1122350400&en=906cd6666047ab60&ei=5070 But then again, give the whole Jason Blair scandal, its not like the NY Times can be viewed as 100% credible either. Anywho kiddofspeed/Elena photos and the point of view she takes them and the way she narrates the story were great and done in a way that no one else had done it before it, so i'll give her credit for that and somewhat disregard the allegations of dishonesty. And I think she learned her lesson as her Serpents Wall blog seems very legit and just as informative and interesting. You and any WWII history buffs here that are interested should check that one out: http://www.theserpentswall.com/ The Soviet Union has home to all sorts of industiral disasters and screw ups that they covered up so that the US wouldn't use it against them for propaganda. Beating out Chernobyl and Chelabynsk was the Aral Sea disater when an accident at an chemical and biological weapons there released Anthrax and other diseases that killed and injured hundreds. Not to mention the shrinking of the Aral sea is a disaster in itself. The worlds 4th largest lake will be desert in 20 years. The Aral Sea from, Google maps: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=45.490946,58.271484&spn=2.414476,5.364624&t=h&hl=en And something off of the beaten track: Mamayev Kurgan and the statute of Mother Russia http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=48.747361,44.419270&spn=0.017743,0.041911&t=h&hl=en
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Odabo Frequent Guest Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 59 Location: Florida USA	Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 1:19 am    Post subject: e wrote: Geez, I can't imagine why anyone whould attempt Google earth and Google maps on dial up. Those programs take up significant amounts of system resources. Kudos to you for getting it running on a dialup. You must have a strong machine. ... And something off of the beaten track: Mamayev Kurgan and the statute of Mother Russia http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=48.747361,44.419270&spn=0.017743,0.041911&t=h&hl=en I'm as surprised as anyone that I can get earth.google on dial up, it's working fairly well, maybe just a little slower than I get on a network. Machine is nothing special, but it is only a couple of months old. Dial up is accelerated and apparently this is something more than an option for compromised graphics. cnet check reported connection as 100 k , log on from ISP varies 50 K to 56 K. The earth.google graphics resolution is not affected by my accelerator settings, they are the same ( pitifull ) reso I get on the network machine. Again, maps.google runs far slower for me than earth.google . Volgograd Russia, That sure is a nice memorial, google got me there via images - Mamayev Kurgan . I get it that the Statue is at the top of the hill, but I can'd ID which direction the rest of the memorial is, very confusing. Could'nt ID Mount Rushmore or Crazy Horse memorials in South Dakota either on earth.google. Resolution of earth & maps looks identicle for Mamayev Kurgan . 4th tick from + end of maps looks like same scale as 12000 Ft eye altitude of earth. Weeks ago I ran the sample of Mr. Microsoft's answer to earth.google. It's reso stopped just a little short of ID of people, but it's a subsription service, a plane has to fly for an area to have images, but then you can get rough areas, heights, distances reported for chosen items. I did not try to run Gates latest aquisition on dialup. Statue is at: Volgograd Russia 48 44 47.43 North and 44 25 34.16 East Best Hit was: http://www.stalingrad.com.ru/hill/plan.htm The above seems to be a temporary page of: http://www.h-net.org/~museum/stalingrad.html
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e VIP Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 654	Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 4:55 am    Post subject: Google.earth takes up an awful lot of system juice to run. I'm using DSL on a pretty fast machine and its for the most part pretty sluggish. Its actually a lot faster for me using maps.google.com. The problem with maps.google.com is that its not as comprehensive as earth. Outside of the US, Canada, Japan, and the UK, it only gives nothing but national borders and nothng else. So you are just flying blind or using your knowledge and memory. And a friend of mine looked at the link, and me looking at your links, I realized that that was the wrong picture and coordinates we are looking at for my original link. This: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=48.773653,44.419270&spn=0.017303,0.041259&t=h&hl=en The memorial faces south/southwest by a few degrees. Its actually easy to find a giant statue like that. Like in this case the Statue of Liberty, just spot the standalone object that emits a shadow: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=40.689784,-74.045244&spn=0.002489,0.005157&t=h&hl=en
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Odabo Frequent Guest Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 59 Location: Florida USA	Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 7:30 am    Post subject: e, For me, at this time, maps is failing badly. The new location seems to be just slightly north of the old location. Bits that were in the previously looked at link came up in a blink, but the northern panels of the new link never load. None of the panels for Statue of Liberty come up, just a bit of text "Statue of Liberty" and x boxes , no aerial images at all. On earth.google there is nothing in the vicinity I'm any more confident is the memorial than the first suspect, just not enough detail showing up from two-miles up, and things don't get any more clear by going lower. Somethings that look like shadows to me in the satellite photo must be lakes. Shadows can't be to the south of due west-east at that lattitude. Changing Subject : Elena Klimovich Hits http://outside.away.com/outside/magazine/0699/9906fly.html Taking a newbee for a ride, the newbee's magazine article. http://www.larrylowe.com/wac/Russia.html Photos of 1996 Russian Team by Elena Klimovich http://www.larrylowe.com/wac/home.html 1996 Results, Elena 26th http://www.petermaass.com/core.cfm?p=1&mag=8&magtype=1 Similar or same text article as first hit, no pictures. http://www.eac2004.lt/ 2004 European Championships http://www.timelessvoices.org/faq/interview_list.asp 242. Elena Klimovich (Mytistchi, Russia): professional Russian pilot and aerobatic competitor - Overall Soviet Union Aerobatics Champion in 1991, and numerous world and European aerobatic championships I was at the 1993 Brietling World Cup, Flown at Pompano Beach FL. The only flights I recall that I knew who was flying them were; Patty Wagstaff who flew way over the deadline in competition, and a performance of the French Connection husband and wife airshow act. They were old then and had been performing for decades, their trademark was a 360 degree ( top plane upside down ) canopy nearly touching canopy turn. They died in practice years later. Elena I recall from her being on the award stand, proportions of a Barbi Doll & tall too. Only pictures that showed up on the web just now don't go below her shoulders. Nuts. Anyone have a supurb Russian related URL you want to share ? Don't want to see anymore posts by me in this thread ? Followup with a URL you think is neat.
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Odabo Frequent Guest Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 59 Location: Florida USA	Posted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:44 pm    Post subject: From left to right : Elena Klimovich (2nd), Catherine Maunoury (1st), Svetlana Fedorenko http://events.fai.org:81/aerobatics/wac2000/reswomen.asp Year 2000 Women's World Championships Podium, I did say she was tall.
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Odabo Frequent Guest Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 59 Location: Florida USA	Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:38 am    Post subject: eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeegad. Родина-мать The Statue МАМАЕВ КУРГАН The Hill http://www.volgogradcity.ru/volgograd/maps/cityMap/04.shtml Check the eastern edge about the middle for railway & road intersections that outline the labeled hill and compare them to maps or earth google. Extremely difficult to see features of this huge memorial complex on the satellite photos of earth.google. Also there seem to be several other huge memorials spread around ВОЛГОГРАДА - Volgograd Statue earth.google Lat.-Long. 48 44 28 North and 44 31 48 East What a bear this was to find. ( pun attempted ) Statue appears slightly taller than Elena Klimovich in most photos.
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e VIP Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 654	Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:13 pm    Post subject: Quote: ÂÎËÃÎÃÐÀÄÀ - Volgograd Statue earth.google Lat.-Long. 48 44 28 North and 44 31 48 East I looked up those coordinates on earth and it looks like it, but the image comes out all blurry. Do you know the exact elevation of the hill to verify. It says 303ft on the coordinates you gave me.
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Odabo Frequent Guest Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 59 Location: Florida USA	Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:39 pm    Post subject: Quote: I looked up those coordinates on earth and it looks like it, but the image comes out all blurry. Do you know the exact elevation of the hill to verify. It says 303ft on the coordinates you gave me. http://mamayevhill.volgadmin.ru/ The tour info mentions 102 meters , so close enough. You think with it's importance in battles that it would be the highest point around. It's not. Other ground photos taken from the west show it as lower. Your other locations generaly also run 100' and more higher. Some of the dramatic approach views seem to be from next to the river. Roads seen from above, are diagonal retaining walls in the view from the river. Apparently the tall tree path is not very long and is much closer to the river than the statue. Resolution varies quite a bit from place to place. For some areas of Miami FL. Sidewalks & Cars are sharp. In stallingrad I can't tell a building from a parking lot. Areas I've Looked at in Upstate New York and Pennsylvania are no sharper than Stalingrad.
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e VIP Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 654	Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 6:56 pm    Post subject: Quote: Resolution varies quite a bit from place to place. For some areas of Miami FL. Sidewalks & Cars are sharp. In stallingrad I can't tell a building from a parking lot. Areas I've Looked at in Upstate New York and Pennsylvania are no sharper than Stalingrad. Yeah, I noticed that. The world's major cities: London, Paris, Moscow, and etc , the clarity is excellent while even St. Petersberg is grainy, unclear, and it looks like they just slapped dashed a bunch of Jpgs together. A lot of the places on the map are like that including some cities like Haifa Israel, Bangkok and a number of others.
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Odabo Frequent Guest Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 59 Location: Florida USA	Posted: Mon Aug 01, 2005 12:37 am    Post subject: Odabo wrote: ... Anyone have a supurb Russian related URL you want to share ? Don't want to see anymore posts by me in this thread ? Followup with a URL you think is neat. What I had in mind is stuff like this: http://www.patentlysilly.com/index.php http://www.wtr.ru/aphorism/eng/welcome1.htm Dmitry Dimma’s site of the short statements http://www.wtr.ru/aphorism/ Russian site of aphorisms APHORICON http://www.wtr.ru/ Window To Russia / Window To Moscow From what I looked at it's a far simpler site than WayToRussia and it does not seem to be a competitor to this site, inspite of the similar names.
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Odabo Frequent Guest Joined: 15 Jul 2005 Posts: 59 Location: Florida USA	Posted: Sun Aug 14, 2005 2:50 am    Post subject: Geez, run into via Off Topic links Of: http://www.quasiturbine.com/ On Topic: http://www.etischer.com/ Pics - - - Romania, Chernobyl ... Also Off Topic: http://www.monito.com/wankel/alteralter.html Bacterial flagellum, news to me, a big mystery to everyone when I was in high school, still a big mystery to me, after glancing at explanation. has link to: http://www.res.titech.ac.jp/~seibutu/
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