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MrSpice
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 Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:07 am Post subject: Soviet mentality in Russia today - pls provide examples here |
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Cyndy provided a few example of Soviet-style thinking and mentality that is still widespread even in large cities in Russia like St Petersburg. I wonder if other people had similar experiences while travelling to Russia.
The example that Cyndy gave was when an old woman did not let her son to use the bathroom for free hoping to cash in on her son's basic need. |
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Anya
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| I'd rather you start another thread on something more positive. I'd lile to have a break from all these Russia-bashing threads. |
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e
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:35 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | I'd rather you start another thread on something more positive. I'd lile to have a break from all these Russia-bashing threads |
Yeah! Totally! There are already 10 or 20+ of these sort of subject threads or threads in this forum that wound up becoming this subject as it is.
I think you and Cyndy pretty much summed it up and talked it to death all over the place in this forum. There isn't any need to take it further, especially since there wont be any new input that hasn't been discussed before already in this forum.
Lets talk about what a postive experience going to and visiting Russia is and could be........for a change!
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overseas_expat
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:39 am Post subject: Re: Soviet mentality in Russia today - pls provide examples |
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| MrSpice wrote: | | Cyndy provided a few example of Soviet-style thinking and mentality that is still widespread even in large cities..... I wonder if other people had similar experiences while travelling to Russia. |
I've had plenty of those experiences while living in Russia....aarrgghh!#$%&*#@!
Ticket/box office problems always There was the time I wanted to buy hockey tickets at Luzhniki and the prices were posted on a little handwritten postcard on the window and the kacca lady refused to sell them for the posted price--scalping her own tickets....the time I waited patiently in the snow at the Bolshoi Theatre's ONE ticket window and had the kacca matron slam the window closed just when it was my turn, and leave for lunch for an hour....The Metro kacca Sovietskaya who refused to sell me a Metro ticket untill I had run around to get exact cash for the fare.....
The clubs that won't let me in (I'm white). The empty restaurants that won't seat me, the superslow supermarket cashiers who yell at me when I forget to get my apples weighed in the produce section....the bureaucrats who refuse to do their jobs unless they're presented 'gifts', who are always out sick or on holiday and no one else has the authority to stamp my whatever until that particular paperpusher finally returns to work.....
How much time have you got?
I'm not sure it's Russia-bashing, but this can be a very frustrating place sometimes, it's true.[/b] |
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MrSpice
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:43 am Post subject: |
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| e: It was a good chance for you to just say nothing. If you don't want to write about it or don't like the topic, move to the next one. I don't think this is "Russia-bashing". |
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e
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | e: It was a good chance for you to just say nothing. If you don't want to write about it or don't like the topic, move to the next one. |
Dectecting irony is not really one of your strong points is it Mr. Spice? Nor is reading things through and carefully either given the 20+ or so threads including the one ongoing over in the KGB thread thats ironically off-subject in this forum that discuss this topic to death.
Apparently i'm not the only one who thinks so too considering that Anya mentioned it first. Hence the paucity of responses to this post.
Keep on trolling and creating more and more irrelevant threads Mr. Spice. This is fun. |
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cyndy22
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Allow me to interject. This thread is not Russian bashing. And I'm sorry if people feel that Spice and I talked about my recent experiences visiting Piter to death. As a fairly long time poster here with unique circumstances, I would hope that forum members could be a little more tolerant regarding critical views about my visit. I get it that most don't want to hear any negativity or perceived negativity about Russia. Well that was me too before my recent visit. If we are only going to discuss happy positive issues re Russia, then this forum is a dis-service to tourists.
Soviet mentality of course still exists in Russia, especially with older people, beaurocrats as Expat mentioned etc. Loosen up a little people and let this thread have life.  Like the babushka, it ain't gonna kill ya to give a little slack at times! |
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Paul-Holmes
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e
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Paul Holmes: What troll? What are you talking about?
Cyndy: Not saying that your views aren't welcome and warranted; they sure are welcome in my opinion and have been extrememley informative and helpful, but you missed me and Anya's in that most of the recent posts here are very negative towards Russia. Its getting a little repetitive and depressing and they seem to be carrying over from thread to thread.
Yes, Russia is and can be a pretty misreable and unconfortable place to visit and live. Particulary if you happen to be disabled. There are plently of posts in this forum that prove that. I just beleive that we should change from the overstated and obvious to something new and different. There are lots of people here who gave up American and European comfort to go visit and/or live in Russia and are having and had a great time. Who goes to Russia without realizing that Russia tends to be unbearable by our (American & European) standards? Who cares? None of us apparenly did.
All in all, I think that countries with a bad rap are a helluva lot more compelling to visit than places condoned by Condé Nast Traveler. Why in the world do I want to travel to a country thats a neat carbon copy of the one I live in?
Plus all this negative talk about Russia is probably scaring and offending all of the Russians (and potential visitors to Russia) away. There's none of them and none of them post except Camrade compared to a couple when I first joined this forum. I wish we had more Russians here to throw in their two cents. |
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MrSpice
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| I think e's long and irrelevant posts scare away most Russians. I don't think they have time to read all this stuff... Cyndy told us about her recent experience visiting st Petersburg. It was informative and interesting and can help other people wishing to visit Russia. e could not even finish Berkeley, he would not understand the reasoning behind this and other topics. But others may. |
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e
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 7:17 am Post subject: |
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 7:06 am Post subject:
I think e's long and irrelevant posts scare away most Russians. I don't think they have time to read all this stuff... Cyndy told us about her recent experience visiting st Petersburg. It was informative and interesting and can help other people wishing to visit Russia. e could not even finish Berkeley, he would not understand the reasoning behind this and other topics. But others may. |
I just love your apparent illiteracy and your knack for jumping to mindless conclusions --the two only skills you seem to have because if you read my original post I welcomed Cyndys comments and agreed with what she said !
Like your long and irrelevant posts are much fun and meaningful either. I have pleny of posts to prove that.
You seem not to understand much either Mr. Spice. And at least I went and graduated from college. Your rather childish navitete in your irrelevant and meaningless posts denote just how much more "educated" you are. How you (if you really do) got the job you supposedly do is beyond me. But then again, they'll hire anyone these days.......
Once again, keep it up Mr. Spice. The one thing you are seemingly useful for in that regard. |
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Vic
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:11 am Post subject: Re: Soviet mentality in Russia today - pls provide examples |
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| MrSpice wrote: | Cyndy provided a few example of Soviet-style thinking and mentality that is still widespread even in large cities in Russia like St Petersburg. I wonder if other people had similar experiences while travelling to Russia.
The example that Cyndy gave was when an old woman did not let her son to use the bathroom for free hoping to cash in on her son's basic need. |
Idiot. Shall we make a thread about arrogant american style mentality? |
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Mogsfan
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 9:52 am Post subject: |
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Hey Vic, how's it going?!? Kak dela? lol
Hey e, I suggest you just let Spice and Cyndy post about Soviet mentality if they wish. It is okay, you know? The forum is for people to talk about Russia even if you don't agree. I don't know why so many here always try to portray constructive criticism towards Russia as "Russian/Russia bashing."
Every one of these critics or commentators here have all been there. This is what you wanted, right? Someone who's been to Russia?!? Hello?!?
Everyone has their own experiences and these shape their perspectives. There are fellows who just can't accept criticism and are so nationalistic that any complaint about their country is some sort of 'attack' or sign of "ignorant Americana mentality.' Right, Vic?
I hope I can visit someday so I can give my own candid two cents based on being there and not just the numerous discussions I've had with nice Russian ladies. Other Russians, too, of course. 
Several eye-witness accounts (aka travellers with blogs about their trips or life in Russia) are always interesting, too.
As for the number of Russians here, AFAIK, it was always low. At least, from what I recall, the numbers were pretty low and I don't think any criticism towards Russia did anything to lower it further. People just leave forums. I don't even think the infamous dork and his stories of Russian prostitutes scared any Russians away. There are other forums and they don't even have a lot of Russians compared to what the forum purpose and name is. It's possible that Russians prefer forums which are primarily in their mother tongue? |
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e
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| Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 10:45 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Hey e, I suggest you just let Spice and Cyndy post about Soviet mentality if they wish. It is okay, you know? The forum is for people to talk about Russia even if you don't agree. I don't know why so many here always try to portray constructive criticism towards Russia as "Russian/Russia bashing. |
Mogsfan: Please re-read what I said. Once again, I did not say that they aren't allowed or not welcome to post about their experiences, but that their posts are bordering on depressing and repetitive. We already know and have acknoledged that Russia can a bad place, but why do we need to beat the dead horse repeatedly?
Constructive criticism is one thing, too much of it is overkill especially when it is being done thread after thread after thread......
There once were a significant amount of Russians here (including ones that would randomly appear) that slowly trickled down to just Camrade, Vic, and wwwadim. Dimitry is off in Greece or wherever and Alice simply hasn't come back.
| Quote: | | It's possible that Russians prefer forums which are primarily in their mother tongue? |
Yeah they do. But its the same for all people that are more confortable chatting it up and hanging out with with people of their native tounge. Check these ones out that I know of:
http://www.u-antona.vrn.ru/forum/
http://zhensovet.com/
http://foto.zontik.ru/
Paul Holmes: Some people never change. Contine to dishonor yourself hypocrite. Its quite possibly the only thing you have been able to do while you've been on this forum.
Please grow up.
Or, lay off of the cocaine.
and follow your own advice:
http://www.waytorussia.net/TalkLounge/viewtopic.php?p=20443#20443 |
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Mogsfan
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| Quote: | | Mogsfan: Please re-read what I said. |
NO, you reread it!
I know what you were saying. You're trying to control discussions for the upteenth time. If it's overkill, don't participate in the thread.
That is just B.S. that there were a significant number of Russians. Dmitri is the operator of the forum and Alice is a student and left because she's busy with studies.
Spice and Cyndy were giving their impressions and experiences.
You never said anything about yours in Russia. Why is that? |
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