| Author |
Message |
CHeburashka
Talk Show Host
Joined: 23 Sep 2005
Posts: 218
|
 Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2005 11:08 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
Well.. we all know why this is being discussed here: it's simple irresistable to some to come up with these questions.
cyndy: if my post was an attack on anything, it was directed to mock the mindset of some nationalistic types, not the subject of their admiration. i have nothing against national pride, as long as it preserves an healthy form. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
nigelinleeds
Lounge Lizard
Joined: 21 Jun 2005
Posts: 108
|
| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 12:27 am Post subject: |
|
|
| cyndy..I think you should re-read what I wrote, I didn't mention anything about evolution being taught in American schools. I just gave my view on how Bush (and Blairs relationship with him) is percieved. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
MrSpice
Lounge Wizard
Joined: 14 Jul 2003
Posts: 3431
|
| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:13 am Post subject: |
|
|
nigelinleeds: That "poodle" Blair (as you refered to your head of state) has been recently re-elected, as far as I can remember by your fellow citizens. As far as Bush is concerned, part of the hate for Bush comes from the legitimate diagreement with the war policy (he is not that popular in the US either), but partly is just the pervasive anti-americanism that thrives in Europe which you are repating like a mindless parrot. Based on the questions you have asked here, I am not that you in a position to make a sound judgement about Bush or anyone else in that position. Even if you feel that Bush is a bafoon, there are certainly quite a few brillian people in his administration that make the policy you diagree with.
It seems to me that Europe disagrees on pretty much everything these days except one thing - the US and Bush. It would be more original and interesting to hear from someone who does not obey the herd instinct and follow the anti-American crowd. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
vorteks
VIP
Joined: 08 Aug 2004
Posts: 571
Location: European Union
|
| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:35 am Post subject: |
|
|
It would also be interesting to have an unbiased opinion of somebody that doesnt copy and paste the neo con gross strategy that consist, internally, to call anti patriotic every american that refuse to condome their strategy of hatred, and externally anti american every foreigner that denounces the prdatory attitude. Bush can t be compared to Roosevelt in any ways,and his motivations are far from serving global interests.
Being globalist (by founding the UN), Roosevelt would today be name called anti patriotic by neo cons. I hope you see in which absurdity you are falling. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
nigelinleeds
Lounge Lizard
Joined: 21 Jun 2005
Posts: 108
|
| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:54 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Mr Spice.. my post contained no personal opinion. I just stated how Bush was thought of here in general and the comment about Blair being a poodle again is in relation to his following of Bush. Bush is unpopular in Europe because of Americas foriegn policy, we hear little here about his domestic policies so I can't comment on that. I am not ant-American (or any other generalisation you care to throw at me) Also, why make personal attacks on people who don't share your views, which is usually a sign of someone not sure of their own arguement. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
bohemian
Just Starting
Joined: 30 Aug 2005
Posts: 3
Location: Little Rock, AR
|
| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:01 am Post subject: |
|
|
| <deleted. banned user> |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
vitalsigns
Lounge Wizard
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
Posts: 2784
|
| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:25 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Yes, deleted.
Last edited by vitalsigns on Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:54 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
vitalsigns
Lounge Wizard
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
Posts: 2784
|
| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 4:13 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Yes, deleted.
Last edited by vitalsigns on Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:54 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Vic
Talk Show Host
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
Posts: 298
Location: Moscow, Russian Federation
|
| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:41 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| vitalsigns wrote: |
The Russian media (the 15 channels I get here) almost all without exception is anti Bush. Some quite openely some overtly but it's all anti.
(I think they tell their (russian) correspondents in Washington, New York etc. not to look too satisfied when they broadcast about this or that about the US. Just to create a picture that the US is just about the same as any other country... what phonies!) |
Well, is there anything GOOD to report about him? Today President Bush made a funny face...again. He really is a good guy!  Seriously, cmon.
Vic
P.S. In your opinion the U.S. is not the same as another country? Could you please explain this? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
MrSpice
Lounge Wizard
Joined: 14 Jul 2003
Posts: 3431
|
| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:13 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| I think GW Bush has made many mistakes and the Iraq war is the biggest one. it certainly affects all of here in the US in a sense that instead of spending 300 billion on the Iraq war the money could be spend elsewhere (to close the deficit, for example). However, what makes a bad president in America vs Russia different is that in the US we have a very strong institution of democracy. While in Russia, Putin slowde down the reforms, appointed cronies to the largest business posts, supressed many polititians that disagreed with him and asserted total control over the public media where all main TV stations are now controlled by the government. Here in the US we have RTVi which is an independent Russian channel that is not broadcast inside Russia and the main channels of Russians TV. It's a world of difference. The official TV looks very similar to how I remember soviet TV in the 80s where Putin is the new idol - the greates, the wornderful, the best ever was... It's amazing that Russia's slide toward censorship has been so quiet and without much uproar from the public. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Vic
Talk Show Host
Joined: 29 Mar 2005
Posts: 298
Location: Moscow, Russian Federation
|
| Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 10:08 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| vitalsigns wrote: | On a serious note, nigelinleeds, can you please explain to me, a russian immigrant in the US, what did G.W. Bush do to make this world a worse place to live in?
He has only exposed how bad the affairs of this world were with the extremists and all... that's what I see. |
Well, I am not nigelinleeds but I would like to answer that question too.
Bush has killed thousands of innocent civilians through his expansionism. I would say that that is enough.
I am also curious where you get your figures. In the United states most people that can think straight (yes, I do understand that he is trying hard to make this number decrease, but in any case, it is not 3%) despise Bush. In the EU it is well over 50%. For god's sake! Slovakians think that Russia is doing more for democracy than the U.S.! That is pothetic because we aren't even aiming to create "democracy" (Although the U.S.'s idea of democracy is a puppet government) in other countries. We skip the formalities and just openly influence them. The result is the same, but we don't stick our noses everywhere, just in some bordering nations. You really need to wake up man. There is an extremist state and it is not Iraq, it is not Iran and it is not Syria. It is the United States of America and through his terrorism, Bush has killed many more people than Osama bin Laden could ever kill in his life.
Vic |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
vitalsigns
Lounge Wizard
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
Posts: 2784
|
| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:50 am Post subject: |
|
|
Yes, deleted.
Last edited by vitalsigns on Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:54 am; edited 2 times in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
vitalsigns
Lounge Wizard
Joined: 25 Dec 2004
Posts: 2784
|
| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:05 am Post subject: |
|
|
Yes, deleted.
Last edited by vitalsigns on Wed Nov 09, 2005 3:53 am; edited 1 time in total |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
CHeburashka
Talk Show Host
Joined: 23 Sep 2005
Posts: 218
|
| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 4:27 pm Post subject: |
|
|
Comparing Saddam's small, impoverished Iraq to Hitler's advanced Germany makes no sense. The world's situation in the first few decades of this century was very much different from the current situation. The rapid increase of (destructive) technological potential asked for better international cooperation and crisis management. Exactly at this point the value of GW Bush and his administration in the modern world is doubted. Unfortunately, my dog is more diplomatically gifted.
The current threat is that destructive potential becomes widely available and falls into the hands of (formerly western and communist supported) scoundrels. Not nations. The attack on Iraq has no significance in this 'battle'. It was not a fundamentalist state and neither can be proven that it still posessed either WMD or even supported fundamentalist warriors/terrorists. There's a whole different, agenda behind it, which can't even be called a 'hidden' agenda anymore: it's all about middle and long-term control of the world's strategical oil reserve by the West.
I am quite sure Blair is a smart person who still has some good ideas on how to defend his countries national interests. About Bush: they should just have left him with his cocaine. He would do less damage to his country..
His administration does nothing to defend your countries' much appreciated constitutional freedoms. It only uses your fears to sacrifice them for corporate interests and religion-influenced political agenda.
-----
The only evil we have to confront in this world is inside any of us. It was so in Hitler's days, it's like that now. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
MrSpice
Lounge Wizard
Joined: 14 Jul 2003
Posts: 3431
|
| Posted: Wed Oct 12, 2005 5:45 pm Post subject: |
|
|
I feel that the War in Iraq was a noble goal and that GW Bush did have good intentions. Creating a free, independent democracy in the heard of barbaric and thweocratic middle east could have been an enormous achievement. However, mistakes were made. Building a democracy in a country divided by ethnicity and religion has proven very difficult. Terrorists and insurgents have proven difficult to contain. And the support for the US actions at home - here in the US - went down significantly as cost and the loss of life escalated.
Vic's claim that GW Bush is responsible for so many human lives is bogus. The US forces did all they could to spare as many innocent people as possible. Not that many died during the actual invasion. And the US forces often risked their lives by warning local residents before they advance in order to avoid any loss of civilian life. Today, most Iraquis die from the hands of islamic terrorists not American forces. In fact the American soldiers risk their lives every day trying to keep that country safe. But I agree more and more with the critics of the war that the situation does not seem to get much better and sooner or later the US forces have to leave. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
