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mentat
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PS. It's to hard to separate Russia and Ukraine. We have common origins. I'm on 25% - ukranian, like great part of russian.
80-90% of ukranians speaks russian
40-50% feels themselves russian
do you know what ancient capital of Russia was Kiev - now it's capital of Ukraine ?
This division (or separation) was made by politics. It's only hurts simple people in both countries. |
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mister_wizzz
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An Ukrainian told me this joke about Ukraine/Russia relationships :
An Ukrainian shepherd, standing on top of a hill, shouts over to another Ukrainian on another hill to tell a important new. - Mykola!
- Yes!
- Russians have flown to the Moon!
- All of them?
- No, just one.
- So why are you bothering me?
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Paul-Holmes
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| Quote: | PS. It's to hard to separate Russia and Ukraine. We have common origins. I'm on 25% - ukranian, like great part of russian.
80-90% of ukranians speaks russian
40-50% feels themselves russian
do you know what ancient capital of Russia was Kiev - now it's capital of Ukraine ?
This division (or separation) was made by politics. It's only hurts simple people in both countries. |
It was the Capital of Rus, not Russia. Russia did not exist at that time
When Kiev existed, Novgorod started as a major merchant city. When Kiev got sacked and conquered, Novgorod became the capital of Russia. |
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sphygmo
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| Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 10:39 am Post subject: |
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| mister_wizzz wrote: | An Ukrainian told me this joke about Ukraine/Russia relationships :
An Ukrainian shepherd, standing on top of a hill, shouts over to another Ukrainian on another hill to tell a important new. - Mykola!
- Yes!
- Russians have flown to the Moon!
- All of them?
- No, just one.
- So why are you bothering me?
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Wow, that is the opposite of mentat's view, no? Or did I get the joke incorrectly? It was about the Ukrainian not caring about Russians landing on the moon unless all of them evacuated earth because he hates them?
Anyway, I wonder about Russian song airplay. Can someone give me a rough estimate? For instance, I would say in Italy it's around 60% Italian, 40% International songs. In Manila, it used to be 100% American! But then now it changed to around 35% local, the rest American.
How are Russian tastes in music? Would you say the youth are into "shallow" pop tunes as well? |
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mentat
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If you watch MTV Russia 65-70% foreign (USA) / 30-35% local (Russian).
Local pop-music is really not so developed as world-class. But there are many small music teams producing quality music. Fort some reasons (money?) they not known for public masses, but enjoyed by real music lovers.
PS. Funny joke. Really  Every country have their own nacionalists. Even Russia. |
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mentat
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Russia produces mostly ugly pop-music. (I'm not taking "Via gra" or Plazma). BUT ... Did you heard Russian rock ? It's not the rock music at all. It's sad, but strong music. I think it's really Russian music.
Have you listen Alisa, DDT ? |
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Paul-Holmes
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sphygmo
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| mentat wrote: | Russia produces mostly ugly pop-music. (I'm not taking "Via gra" or Plazma). BUT ... Did you heard Russian rock ? It's not the rock music at all. It's sad, but strong music. I think it's really Russian music.
Have you listen Alisa, DDT ? |
I guessed that the Russian youth is just like any youth in the world. A bit materialistic, into pop trash, emo hair (but like mine, haha), and maybe a bit self-centered. Of course I talk about middle class youths. The "hope" of the generation. Maybe because I am 28, so I feel a bit tired of seeing these kids in the malls with their latest shoes, copying the things they see on MTV. But at some point when I was a young teenager, I was the same way.
I will check out the Russian rock bands you mentioned, it would broaden my tastes a bit. I DID hear this German DJ named Sasha Dith and his 2005 "hit" Russian Girls. It was a bit funny, and the video doesn't take itself too seriously. I don't know how Russians viewed it, but the comments on youtube were funny. Some said just look at the girls, while others began talking about nuclear missiles and all that stuff. It was entertaining, in the least (the comments AND the video). Plus the girls were hot, haha. I don't know if they were really Russian, but the girl singing sounded like she had the Russian accent. Maybe you guys can clarify for me? Let me look up the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ve6KkoXyucM |
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start-wearing-purple
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| sphygmo wrote: |
How are Russian tastes in music? Would you say the youth are into "shallow" pop tunes as well? |
I've heard the same; that Russians are more into pop and techno (even the young adults aged 20-25) than rock music. I definitely enjoy pop and techno, but usually prefer to listen to it at clubs. the only pop bands I've heard of from Russia have been Dima Bilan and t.A.T.u. any others worth a listen? for the most part, I listen to rock. I've gotten into Leningrad (even though I hear they're largely unquotable b/c of their vulgar lyrics), Zemfira and an American/Ukranian/Russian band called Gogol Bordello, but I'm always looking for new music to listen to. I've listened to some DDT, but I didn't really enjoy them as much as I thought I would. I was told they're like a Russian R.E.M., but I didn't see what the big deal was. Does anyone else have any suggestions as to what to listen to? |
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nickysam
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The Russian music is considered to be among the greatest of national music.In the nineteenth century, folk elements were integrated into Russian music. Folk tales were used as subjects for opera and symphonic poems. Russian music made an important contribution to the development of harmony by the use of whole-tone elements, chromaticism and higher discords.
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Soundbrigade
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| Generation P wrote: | | Kolibri |
They are dissovled aren't they?! Heard that one of the members died in a car crash long time ago.
Looking for good old Russian rock: Nautilus Pompilus, DDT. I'd say DDT is one of the best rock groups (in the world).
Also listen to new group Malenkie Tragedii, especially if you like art rock. |
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Saville
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I'm surprised no-one has mentioned Dolphin on here yet...melancholy and quite disturbing when listened to on a dark winter morning, but very well-produced, something that a lot of Russian pop in particular lacks when compared to western counterparts.
The music video that goes with his popular 'Vesna' is a classic... |
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Icemage
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Hi. I've noticed you are discussing mostly POP russian music... This fact saddens me. In my opinion, russian (to tell the truth, not only russian) pop music is awful. Maybe I have such impression cause I can understand the lyrics? I'm oppressed by snotty texts about love which I hear every time I go shopping or just walk around the city. Also I think that we have only one good rock group - Arija (Àðèÿ) but now when Kipelov (ex. soloist) has his own group (named "Kipelov"  )it is not so damn good as 10 years ago. Its like Nightwish and Tarja Turunen if you understand me ...
Anyway, Arija is not pop music ))) It's rather dangerous to mention something like that near the fans
Ok, I'm too critical... Bad mood and something, you know )) Tastes differ ) |
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jo-jo-7
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| Icemage wrote: | Hi. I've noticed you are discussing mostly POP russian music... This fact saddens me. In my opinion, russian (to tell the truth, not only russian) pop music is awful. Maybe I have such impression cause I can understand the lyrics? I'm oppressed by snotty texts about love which I hear every time I go shopping or just walk around the city. Also I think that we have only one good rock group - Arija (Àðèÿ) but now when Kipelov (ex. soloist) has his own group (named "Kipelov" )it is not so damn good as 10 years ago. Its like Nightwish and Tarja Turunen if you understand me ...
Anyway, Arija is not pop music ))) It's rather dangerous to mention something like that near the fans
Ok, I'm too critical... Bad mood and something, you know )) Tastes differ ) |
I think old Russian music is the best. A song like, "Hello Mama" I don't know the name of the Russian singer, but it is a great song. I don't think music or pop has enough meaning and it is all about appearance or looks and not the heart. |
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Icemage
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| jo jo 7 wrote: | | I think old Russian music is the best. A song like, "Hello Mama" I don't know the name of the Russian singer, but it is a great song. I don't think music or pop has enough meaning and it is all about appearance or looks and not the heart. |
You are quite right. Old music is the best. It expressed people's feelings... But now this industry is totally commercial and not only quality of songs is bad but also meaning is poor... (I hope you understand me - i'm practicing my english only in online games ) |
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