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yorbcbud
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 Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 6:03 pm Post subject: The new Bully on the block? |
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Sen. John McCain said Sunday the United States should respond harshly to Russia’s anti-democratic actions and suggested that President Bush reconsider his assessment of Russian President Vladimir Putin, MSNBC.com reports.
After meeting Putin for the first time in June 2001, Bush said he had been able to gain “a sense of his soul” and had found Putin to be “very straightforward and trustworthy.”
Recalling Bush’s assessment just months after taking office, McCain said: “Look, we all say things that are stupid. ... I’m sure that the president has re-evaluated his position in light of Putin’s recent actions.”
“The president wanted to develop a good working relationship with Russia and with Putin, and I’m sure that the president has re-evaluated his position in light of Putin’s recent actions. At the time I think he was — remember, it was early in his presidency, the president was trying to develop a good relationship with Putin. ... I don’t mean stupid. I’ll say it was stupid as far as I’m concerned, but all of us make statements that are sometimes not correct in hindsight,” McCain said.
McCain, a possible presidential contender in 2008, said Putin has repressed Russians and the media, supported Belarus’ authoritarian president and not cooperated with the U.S. in dealing with Iran’s suspected development of nuclear weapons. “I think that we’ve got to respond in some way,” McCain told NBC’s “Meet the Press.” “The glimmerings of democracy are very faint in Russia today, and so I would be very harsh.”
McCain has urged Bush not to attend the Group of Eight summit of industrial nations in St. Petersburg, Russia, in July.
Last week Bush said he was concerned with Russia’s crackdown on internal dissent but would still attend the summit. “I haven’t given up on Russia,” he said. |
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Entropy
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| Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Old news yorbcbud. |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 8:18 pm Post subject: |
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| I kind of liked McCain, is that odd? |
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| Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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Entropy I do not believe the USA has the right to play WORLD POLICE, that is what the UN is for. If Russians want change they will get it, which is what should have occured in Iraq. Nobody is going to "liberate" Russia! I think we should keep our noses out of it, and focus on the people we are screwing worldwide due to our capitalistic endeavors. The biggest tragedy going on in the world is in Africa, yet we throw money at corrupt governments who do not bother to invest the money properly and so the problems are never really solved. We need to stop pretending like we care about people, because we dont, we care about profit, and Russia is some how standing in our way.  |
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Entropy
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Fire_Goddess,
I was merely providing the prior link for your reading enjoyment. Nothing more. McCain's stuff is very similar. In other words, old news now.
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| Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 8:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Thankyou Entropy, you are too kind! |
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Entropy
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| Fire_Goddess wrote: | | Thankyou Entropy, you are too kind! |
Yes, I know, but I am working on developing more of an edge. 
Happy readin...
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yorbcbud
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| Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Entropy wrote: | | Old news yorbcbud. |
This is true my friend, but he has the potential to be president someday, and we all know how people react to that hardline " my way is the right way" stuff. Gorbachev is already telling America to chill out and stop administering its brand of democracy round the world. I really think Russia's approach of dialogue before condemnation is the only way that people will come together. Example, when you talk down to me, I don't want to hear you, when you speak as an equal, no matter what you really feel, I will listen to you. That is how people come together and solve problems. Don't you agree? |
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yorbcbud
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| Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| BTW Gorbachev won the Nobel peace prize in 1990 I believe, so to me he has credibility in the matter. |
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Entropy
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| yorbcbud wrote: | | Gorbachev is already telling America to chill out and stop administering its brand of democracy round the world. I really think Russia's approach of dialogue before condemnation is the only way that people will come together. |
Yorbcbud,
But there are times when Russia continues to act aggressively. One need only look at the gas price hikes in Ukraine and Belarus. While Russia does the have the freedom to charge what it sees fit, one would also think that Russia would take into consideration that those countries's industries are heavily dependent upon natural gas and thus will require some time to adapt. After all, it was Russia that mandated the industries within those countries. Or as an analogy, a husband denied his wife the opportunity to learn new skills, so when she files for divorce, there is some obligation on the husband to provide support while she make adjustments.
And remember, in the Ukraine, Russia had provided very direct involvement. Pootie himself had been with the opposition. You don't see Bush goes to allies's elections?
And in Belarus's instance, the price hike was immediately after the election.
So I don't buy for one nanosecond that Russia is this big benevolent country that is out to provide peace and harmony.
Instead, this is much more, "meet the new boss, same as the old boss." We are once again witnessing rivalries and geopolitics. We can almost expect that Russia will line up against U.S. positions. While some might argue that the U.S. position is wrong, I am unsure how they could ever justify the totalarian regime in Belarus is right. Many in West won't even recognize the gov't of Belarus. Russia recognized the Belarusian gov't in a heartbeat. Shameful.
You and I are both glad we're not in Belarus.
Gorbachev is playing his countries' politics.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 12:57 am Post subject: |
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| Once again this becomes an issue of cleaning out ones own backyard before peering over the fence into anothers. |
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yorbcbud
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| I'm jealous. I had to work today. Remember the softwood duties collected illegally? That is definite interference from Bush on an issue that was already resolved in every court in the world. I know that these things happen all the time. I'm not naive enough to believe that Russia is only good, and nothing they do is beyond reproach. There are heavy handed actions in nearly every country in the world. But the Bush approach is one of, if not the most destructive approach in the world. Unless it ends, very few countries, including Russia are going to want to get on board for the big win. Instead of involving the world in these serious issues, he continues to be the aggressor. Saying this is how it is, like it or lump it, is not the way to get along in your so called " sandbox" Bush will surely get more cooperation from Canada, now that the rednecks are in charge. I hope that Harper knows when to stop. Thank God he's still a minority government. BTW did you read Nostradamuses predictions that I posted? |
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yorbcbud
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| BTW I believe Putin and South Africa are right to recognize that Hamas is a democratically elected government, regardless of what anyone else says. People should not be punished because they exercise their democratic rights. Honestly, if I was Palestinian I would be pretty fed up with Isreal after 35 years of oppression, and occupation. I really believe that Putin's way is proper. The violence has to stop as well, but not just from Hamas, from Isreal as well. |
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Entropy
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| yorbcbud wrote: | | Remember the softwood duties collected illegally? That is definite interference from Bush on an issue that was already resolved in every court in the world. |
Softwood represents less than 3% of our trade. Given the vast amount of trade, I'd fully expect some friction. So I wouldn't color our entire trade picture with this one challenge.
If you really want to think about trade, imagine if U.S. were to take a hostile stance toward Canada across the board. While we are each other's largest trading partner, the U.S. means far, far more to Canada than Canada does to the U.S. Canada depends upon its foreign trade for survival, and our largest trading partner by far is the U.S.
| yorbcbud wrote: | | I know that these things happen all the time. I'm not naive enough to believe that Russia is only good, and nothing they do is beyond reproach. There are heavy handed actions in nearly every country in the world. But the Bush approach is one of, if not the most destructive approach in the world. Unless it ends, very few countries, including Russia are going to want to get on board for the big win. Instead of involving the world in these serious issues, he continues to be the aggressor. |
But I keep coming back to Ukraine, Belarus, Georgia, Iran and others. We can't simply ignore them.
| yorbcbud wrote: | | Saying this is how it is, like it or lump it, is not the way to get along in your so called " sandbox" |
Exactly the tone set with its former satellite countries.
| yorbcbud wrote: | | Bush will surely get more cooperation from Canada, now that the rednecks are in charge. I hope that Harper knows when to stop. Thank God he's still a minority government. BTW did you read Nostradamuses predictions that I posted? |
You'd prefer to have the thieves still running the roost. Or the communist NDP party? Even Buzz Hargrove couldn't stand'em. Or how about the Separatists?
One thing that has always confused me about Canadian politics is why we have a separatist party in House of Commons whose sole purpose is to take Quebec out of confederation. Isn't that treason? Why is it allowed? Anyway, just a slight digression.
Did I read about Nostra.....? No. If you make enough guesses, eventually you are bound to hit a few. So I don't pay attention to those that purport to tell the future.
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