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Entropy
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| vorteks wrote: | EMax
How many North Americans sleep with polar bears?  |
I don't frequent those neighborhoods. So I couldn't tell you.
| vorteks wrote: | Electric Vehicles
Swedes don t seem to complain about any deforestation ...90% of their power is generated by dams, which warranties them energetic independance. Oh and their salmon is just delicious
Hmm, i was told that some north americans had problems with geography, so i ll help you on this. Tchernobyl is an ukrainian town. Ukraine is located in Eastern Europe and was in the 80s a sovietic republic, ruled by Moscow. How does this have to do with western europe energetic policies?  |
Swedes are free to do whatever they want. But building dams is not something we're overly fond of doing because of the damage to the ecology. It's a lesser of evils kind of thing--damned if you do and damned if you don't. Pun intended.
I don't know about you, but I ain't getting much out of this conversation. So perhaps we should call it a day after we finish here shortly? Let's push on a bit further.
Sweden Energy
Have a look at Sweden's production and import of oil and coal. You'll note that Sweden has no natural gas or oil of its own. It has to import everything. So much for the energy independence argument.
Next, the key question you should ask yourself is as follows: If Sweden did have oil and natural gas, do you think they would use it?
I suppose if Canada had no oil or natural gas, we too would damage our ecology by building dams everywhere and using more nuclear power and importing coal. But since we have oil and natural gas, we choose to use it. That's not to say oil and gas don't have their own issues, they do. But when you factor in the economics and damage to the environment, it is our optimal solution.
| vorteks wrote: | China
When China will pass the us american GDP in a few years time, nobody want them to become as polluting as north americans. That s why they develop electric solutions for their booming transportation industry. |
Come back to this thread in a few year's time and let me know what you have discovered. As it is now, China's rivers are grossly polluted and about one third of California's pollution is attributable to China. That is to say, China's pollution floats over the ocean and hits California.
| vorteks wrote: | Canada
Canada s oil production costs are so low that nobody wanted to invest there a few years back when the barril was at 10 dollars and northern drills were abandoned 
Vortekssss, starting to dream about going fishing in oily canadian rivers |
The only abandonment that I am aware of is in the North West Territories in the Beaufort Sea. There had been a push to develop in Arctic and then when government incentives were withdrawn in the 80s, the development stopped. Those plans are probably being reopened again.
You can probably get better information from yorbcbud about various rivers up north. I know when I lived in Fort McMurray during the summer I often saw oil seeping out of the riverbanks and into the river.
If I am not mistaken, First Nations people often used this oil to help build their canoes. It helped to make the canoe more watertight. I seem to remember this interesting detail from when I lived there, but I could be wrong.
Anyway, not sure where this conversation is going, but I am starting to lose interest. No offense, but I am not getting much out of this.
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yorbcbud
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vorteks
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| yorbcbud s link wrote: | | Canada is the world's largest producer of hydro power. |
Not bad for a country that is assumed to dislike hydro power due to assumed environmental problems |
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yorbcbud
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| vorteks wrote: | | yorbcbud s link wrote: | | Canada is the world's largest producer of hydro power. |
Not bad for a country that is assumed to dislike hydro power due to assumed environmental problems |
That was never my contention, it was Entropy's. I am in favour of Hydro, and Nuclear, as opposed to fossil fuels. The land lost to Hydroelectric dams is relatively small compared to poisoned atmosphere, and acid rain, lost ozone, etc, etc. I am in favour of electric cars as well, as long as they are charged by wind and solar, and Hydroelectrics. We just need better prices on lithium-ion batteries. Canada also developed the Ballard fuel cell.
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vorteks
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I bought an electric bicycle because here, in the mountains, the slopes are quite steep! Anyways, I also bought 2 extra ion batteries that i stock up in my backpack (8 kilos), and the 3 ion batteries cost me the price of the bike! But enjoying 150 km of effortless landscaping is PRICELESS!  |
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yorbcbud
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| vorteks wrote: | | I bought an electric bicycle because here, in the mountains, the slopes are quite steep! Anyways, I also bought 2 extra ion batteries that i stock up in my backpack (8 kilos), and the 3 ion batteries cost me the price of the bike! But enjoying 150 km of effortless landscaping is PRICELESS! |
Yeah, they are available here for $1000. The ion batteries are the way to go. Some people are putting together banks of laptop batteries in small electric cars. I have two Fieros, and I was going to convert one of them to electric. The problem is the range is not so good, only 85 miles, but it's a start. At least I'd be helping keep emissions down. I also rigged up a 49 cc two stroke gas engine on one of my mountain bikes. I get 200 miles to the gallon, but it's difficult to carry anything. Sure is nice on the level stretches, and in the city I can do 50 kph quite easily. |
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charles
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| yorbcbud wrote: | | I also rigged up a 49 cc two stroke gas engine on one of my mountain bikes. |
Is your real name Red Green?  |
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yorbcbud
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| charles wrote: | | yorbcbud wrote: | | I also rigged up a 49 cc two stroke gas engine on one of my mountain bikes. |
Is your real name Red Green? |
Yeah, I reinforced it with duct tape. If the women don't find you handsome, they might as well find you handy.
Keep yer stick on the ice. |
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