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sphygmo
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| mentat wrote: | | Well, Moscow and St. Peter-rg completely differs from all other Russia. Do you know of it ? |
Ciao mentat. Yes, I know a couple people from there. Swingers. I just wanted to participate in this forum to see other points of view. I am just doing some research, and then when I gather all information, I will make my decision on what to do, where to go, etc. I plan to visit Moscow and St. Petersburg, but maybe on two different occasions, and depends on availability of friends. I just feel conflicted about how some people are open in Moscow about homosexuals, while others, straight couples, are shady about it. I am a very sensible individual, but I also am my own woman. I don't like to be made to feel like I have to defend myself, and of course, being in a foreign city and exploring everything else, I just wanted to see if being out was significant or not. It's all. Thanks. |
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spriing
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| Posted: Sun Aug 03, 2008 8:25 am Post subject: Question |
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Where does this common, unfavorable perception of Americans come from? The media? Government? Personal experience--related question (re: personal experience): are these Americans providing the experience found outside of the business realm?
Why such gross generalizations? And, please explain this idea of American superficiality in terms of relationships--the soul is universal.
These interviews are incredibly interesting to me. I love the Russian peoples, the culture, the Russian soul...wish the general census here would give us Americans a chance! The American people, mostly, are not represented by the US government or celebrity. I must admit, however, that I believe many Americans don't know how lucky we are to have some economic freedom and security; but, there is a wide divsion between the rich and the middle-class, and an even more distinctive division between the rich and the poor. Still, there is a middle-class, and I recognize that; although, in our current economic regression, the middle class appears to be shrinking and sinking. See, the government is easily bought and sold here, and the media reports only what they are paid to report. You must search for the truth. Please don't make sweeping assumptions--that leaves no room for love. |
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Ender
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| Posted: Mon Aug 04, 2008 8:49 am Post subject: Re: Question |
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| spriing wrote: | | Where does this common, unfavorable perception of Americans come from? The media? Government? Personal experience--related question (re: personal experience): are these Americans providing the experience found outside of the business realm? |
First of all. Russians usually do not separate business realm and personal relations realm. If you do something unpleasant in business expect reasonable answer in both areas business and personal. When I meet with Americans in person it seems they are nice people. Somewhat different - with different traditions and habits. Even if these traditions appear to be beyond borders of courtesy it is understandable.
Of course everything we know about USA we know from mass-media. Very small percent of people have enough personal information about USA. I think this unfavorable perception of Americans come from their two-faced foreign politics. Or at least how it depicted by mass-media. They say about peace, democracy, order, prosperity but they:
1. Invaded into Aughanistan. Results: country in disorder (this is not important because there was not order either), drug traffic through southern borders of Russia raised up to 5 times (FIVE!!!).
2. Invaded into Iraq. Results: country in disorder, almost in state of civil war, from 150 thousands to 1 million of citizens are killed. Notice lie about weapons of mass destruction as cause of invasion. It looks like they are trying to play same scenario with Iran.
3. Support governments that are aggressive against Russia (Ukraine, Georgia). Finance "humans right orgranisations" which usually throw the shit towards the russian government and towards Russia in common. "Who pays - those orders the music."
4. Slowly encircle Russia by their military bases and installations (for example radar in Poland - defence againsta Iran is the laughable excuse).
5. They dare to criticise our elections while they unable to properly count votes on their own elections.
6. Some of their famous people say extremely stupid (or simply bad) things about other nations. For example Sharon Stone about China and Tibet.
7. Western (note here - average Russian guy rarely separate Britain from USA and other European countries, for average Russian all western mass-media generalised by single word - "they") media says something unpleasant about Russia on regular basis. If one idiot from England offer us to change our constitution then shadow falls on USA also. If "they" thrown shit to us, why should we love "them"?
8. There are many western movies where Russians are depicted as crazy bastards or barbarians. Russians become quite sensitive when someone talks about them as about barbarians.
9. There is PC in USA. Things should be named by their own names.
... This list can be continued.
| spriing wrote: | | Why such gross generalizations? And, please explain this idea of American superficiality in terms of relationships--the soul is universal. |
I not sure if I understand this correctly. What do you mean under term of "American superficiality"?
| spriing wrote: | | You must search for the truth. Please don't make sweeping assumptions--that leaves no room for love. |
People usually are judged by their deeds. |
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Ender
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| Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2008 4:57 pm Post subject: Re: Question |
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| spriing wrote: | | Where does this common, unfavorable perception of Americans come from? The media? Government? Personal experience--related question (re: personal experience): are these Americans providing the experience found outside of the business realm? |
Peace-loving democratic Georgia which war-machine is paid and supported by peace-loving and democratic USA government now bringing peace, law and freedom to the South-Ossetia on the shells of Grad (Hailstorm) artillery systems. Tskhinvali city destroyed, russian peacekeepers killed. Now I sure you will understand where does this common, unfavorable perception of Americans come from. From your government and from actions of those who are supported by U.S. govt.
This is most recent example. Need we say more?
P.S. I've seen results of Grad work when I've been in army. Usually ashes. Only Buratino (Pinoccio) is worse. It produces scorched dust. |
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stranger_inmoscow
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2008 10:01 pm Post subject: why do russians looove to shout? |
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they(most of them,especially the elderly) shout at everybody..
and hardly smiles...they good at stares..
is life in russia,moscow particularly, that depressing that they cant help it but shout at everyone?
I'm just curious.
pardon my english. |
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Ender
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2008 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: why do russians looove to shout? |
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| stranger_inmoscow wrote: | | they(most of them,especially the elderly) shout at everybody.. |
I don't know anybody who loves to shout. Where did you get this impression?
| stranger_inmoscow wrote: | | and hardly smiles...they good at stares.. is life in russia,moscow particularly, that depressing that they cant help it but shout at everyone? |
It is because they smile when they are really happy. No fake smiles. If they have neutral attitude to you they won't smile to you. |
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Ender
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| july_ichat wrote: | what are best place to travel in Russia..???
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There are many places in Russia. Some people enjoy Moscow and St. Petersburgh, some travel Siberia. Pair years ago I met with a guy who recently returned from Siberia.
- How is it there? I mean in Siberia...
- Siberia? Well, it is damn good in Siberia.
And here I noticed that he had tears on his face. It seems he remembered something. |
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YellowMelon
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| My Russian teacher told me that Novosibirsk is a nice city apart from Irkutsk, Moscow and the like. Sounds like something I have to pass by on my Russia tour. |
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Ender
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| YellowMelon wrote: | | My Russian teacher told me that Novosibirsk is a nice city apart from Irkutsk, Moscow and the like. Sounds like something I have to pass by on my Russia tour. |
Novosibirsk is just Siberian city. Unfortunately I've never been there. There are many places outside of cities.
Imagine you stand on a hill where monastery is builit. Bells ring. There is a huge steel cross and all kinds of cold wind through you. There is a plate written in Old Russian near the cross. You stay near the cross and feel the energy of this place. Its like storm of feelings - delight, awe, peace. Then you look around and there is dark-green endless sea of taiga in all directions. You feel serenity and smile without any obvious reason. 
P.S. The only thing spoils entire picture is a car parked near entrance to a church behind you. |
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YellowMelon
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| I, being an archaeologist, would also like to visit Novgorod (not too far away from St Petersburg is it?) to see the historic sites and also behold the "birch bark letters" on the museum. Imagine, bark with 1000 years Old Russian written all over! |
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Dmitry-from-Nsk
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| YellowMelon wrote: | | My Russian teacher told me that Novosibirsk is a nice city apart from Irkutsk, Moscow and the like. Sounds like something I have to pass by on my Russia tour. |
Novosibirsk is a capital of Siberia. Its bigger than Irkutsk, but smaller than Moskow. 2 millions people leave here - its third after Moscow & Spb in Russia. And its very young, little bigger 100 years. Nsk is often compare with Chicago in US because of its progress of population size.
Novosibirsk is city of students, scientifics (Academgorodok) & modern people!
Wellcome!!! 
P.S. Sorry for bad english. 10 years without practice  |
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lily111
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| Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:52 pm Post subject: Re: Russian People - Ask Them Whatever You Want! |
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| WayToRussia wrote: | | Are Russians okay with people from Finland and Sweden now? |
Of course!
Very-very good!!! |
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Anya88
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| Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 10:00 pm Post subject: I am from Russia. Seeking Friends |
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| Всем привет. I am from Russia. I very much want to improve their English language. Please write me at the address raduga2010@mail.ru is with great pleasure to talk to guys and girls in English or Russian language [/b] |
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Anna_rus
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About smiles: Ender is so right and exact, I just want to add, that smiles is supposed to be politeness in USA. In Russia people will not understand you correctly if you smile to everybody. You should accept it as habit, not character feature. We are different. For Russians a smiling person will look stupid. But when Russian person smiles to you, it means that he/she is really happy to see you.
For us a smile costs more than for foreigners, that is why we don't give it to everybody. When we don't smile does not mean that we dislike people.
It's neutral.
P.S. When I was in USA, it was so annoying to see empty smiles... |
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mister_wizzz
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| Anna_rus wrote: | About smiles: Ender is so right and exact, I just want to add, that smiles is supposed to be politeness in USA. In Russia people will not understand you correctly if you smile to everybody. You should accept it as habit, not character feature. We are different. For Russians a smiling person will look stupid. But when Russian person smiles to you, it means that he/she is really happy to see you.
For us a smile costs more than for foreigners, that is why we don't give it to everybody. When we don't smile does not mean that we dislike people.
It's neutral.
P.S. When I was in USA, it was so annoying to see empty smiles... |
Actually, USA is the exception that confirm the rules.
I saw some years ago an interesting document about differences between French and American culture. A guy with a camera was filming in a street in a big city in USA with a signal with "SMILE !" written on it and almost everybody smiled. He did the same thing in Paris and almost nobody smiled.
For the Americans a signal with "SMILE !" was a good enough reason to smile not for the French. |
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