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| nikir wrote: | If you can follow the site in Russian it's so much more in depth.
Loved the ozzi synopsis. So refreshingly true! |
 I liked especially the Italian part! "Итальянцы живут во дворцах, едят макароны, пьют кьянти и распевают неаполитанские песни. Очень веселый народ. Писателей у них нету, но зато куча всяких художников, скульпторов и певцов. Самые лучшие - Микеланджело и Паваротти."
But about Americans, I really don't think that they should take all the honour of taking part in Russian jokes. There are plenty of nations who exist in Russian jokes, and even more there are nations that Russians treat as simpleminded - having no part in the history of Culture - serfs. Take Poland as an example, how often do Russians say any good about Poland? NO, Polish people are bad and evil in nature who are allied together with other tribes against the Good and Pure Mother Russia. They are here only to cause more troubles and destroy all the Good that Russia Has Done. No no, Polish people are soooo bad, surely they haven't won any NObel Prices, and if they have then the Nobel Price Committee is against Russia. Just like the European Figure Skating....  blaa-blaa-bla  |
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anoki
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:06 am Post subject: US? |
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Nah, it has nothing to do with Bush. It's a leftover from communist times, when both nation were demonizing each other. But, unfortunately I find the Russian opinion of Americans somewhat true. They really don't read books and theaters are filled with popcorn and junk-food stink. Sorry, I don't hate Americans, but I think we Europeans have a more intellectual approach to life. It's not all about food, sex and sleep. We do have more culture in our lives. Americans are most of all practical. There is no time for communication. But as in any society, there are different layers: many 50+ Americans go to the opera and read considerably more books than young people. But they too might ask you a question like: do you have TV in your country? CNN and the rest give avery limited outlook on the world. Basically Americans think there is nothing but them. They are THE superpower and everyone else is unimportant.
So I do understand the Russians on this one.  But no nation i perfect. |
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jo-jo-7
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 6:21 am Post subject: Re: US? |
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| anoki wrote: | Nah, it has nothing to do with Bush. It's a leftover from communist times, when both nation were demonizing each other. But, unfortunately I find the Russian opinion of Americans somewhat true. They really don't read books and theaters are filled with popcorn and junk-food stink. Sorry, I don't hate Americans, but I think we Europeans have a more intellectual approach to life. It's not all about food, sex and sleep. We do have more culture in our lives. Americans are most of all practical. There is no time for communication. But as in any society, there are different layers: many 50+ Americans go to the opera and read considerably more books than young people. But they too might ask you a question like: do you have TV in your country? CNN and the rest give avery limited outlook on the world. Basically Americans think there is nothing but them. They are THE superpower and everyone else is unimportant.
So I do understand the Russians on this one. But no nation i perfect. |
Your full of it and you are anal....I think you are very wrong with your opinions..You don't know anything about Americans...where do you get you results...do you sit with a clip board an analyze every American?....Where did you get your view? At the Dollar General Store? |
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MrSpice
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| Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 8:32 am Post subject: Re: US? |
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| jo jo 7 wrote: | They really don't read books and theaters are filled with popcorn and junk-food stink. Sorry, I don't hate Americans, but I think we Europeans have a more intellectual approach to life. It's not all about food, sex and sleep. We do have more culture in our lives. Americans are most of all practical. There is no time for communication. But as in any society, there are different layers: many 50+ Americans go to the opera and read considerably more books than young people. But they too might ask you a question like: do you have TV in your country? CNN and the rest give avery limited outlook on the world. Basically Americans think there is nothing but them. They are THE superpower and everyone else is unimportant.
So I do understand the Russians on this one. But no nation i perfect. |
Your full of it and you are anal....I think you are very wrong with your opinions..You don't know anything about Americans...where do you get you results...do you sit with a clip board an analyze every American?....Where did you get your view? At the Dollar General Store?[/quote]
There are quite a few theaters in New York, and many Americans come to New York to visit theaters. However, the American culture is indeed very inward looking. Most people care very little about the outside world, unless something major is happening there. jo jo cannot understand and believe that this is true, because she has never lived in other countries. However, some of that inward view comes from the fact that the US is a large countries somewhere isolated from Europe by distance. It's also self-sufficient in terms of economy and culture. Also, in the US people are not populated as densely as in Europe. So, there are many explanations to this.
jo jo mentioned the Dollar General store without realizing that this is an American chain and very few people outside of the US can even appreciate this comment. |
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surfguy
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Wow...I missed this discussion! Well actually my friend from Russia is visiting and I just got off the phone with my other friend...oh and by the way if the other user of this site...the one who knows whom I am talking about...the person who is from San Francisco and e-mails to my friend about what I post here. I know about you and keep in mind I too am from the Bay Area...oh but I am sure that you know that. Infact We had a good conversation about you. Too funny and I get to laugh at your e-mails. Keep them up...and just remember-you will never have what I had...never! And that's coming from you know who. PM me if you want
Ok so for the topic of this thread...first off America is very densley populated...go to any of our major cities. Also Americans do read and do enjoy the theater...always have. Go to any rural area in Russia or europe or any where and see how many people in those places go to the Opera or the Symphony...gee probably not many. Americans have a limited out look on the world...fraid not as our influence is every where...If you don't think so...oil is traded in US dollars. Americans travel extensively, and our humanitarian efforts reach all over the Globe. Our concerns with the world are discussed regularly in most conversations. If we didn't have an influence then so many people would be trying to get here. The question shouldn't be asked as to whether or not the US has an influence on the rest of the world...but Rather does the Rest of the World have an influence on America. Answer to this is simple...not much |
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jo-jo-7
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 1:51 am Post subject: Re: US? |
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| MrSpice wrote: | | jo jo 7 wrote: | They really don't read books and theaters are filled with popcorn and junk-food stink. Sorry, I don't hate Americans, but I think we Europeans have a more intellectual approach to life. It's not all about food, sex and sleep. We do have more culture in our lives. Americans are most of all practical. There is no time for communication. But as in any society, there are different layers: many 50+ Americans go to the opera and read considerably more books than young people. But they too might ask you a question like: do you have TV in your country? CNN and the rest give avery limited outlook on the world. Basically Americans think there is nothing but them. They are THE superpower and everyone else is unimportant.
So I do understand the Russians on this one. But no nation i perfect. |
Your full of it and you are anal....I think you are very wrong with your opinions..You don't know anything about Americans...where do you get you results...do you sit with a clip board an analyze every American?....Where did you get your view? At the Dollar General Store? |
There are quite a few theaters in New York, and many Americans come to New York to visit theaters. However, the American culture is indeed very inward looking. Most people care very little about the outside world, unless something major is happening there. jo jo cannot understand and believe that this is true, because she has never lived in other countries. However, some of that inward view comes from the fact that the US is a large countries somewhere isolated from Europe by distance. It's also self-sufficient in terms of economy and culture. Also, in the US people are not populated as densely as in Europe. So, there are many explanations to this.
jo jo mentioned the Dollar General store without realizing that this is an American chain and very few people outside of the US can even appreciate this comment.[/quote]
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand a view that is worth a dollar...I guess it takes a smart European to figure it out....it is very simple statement...Spicey...I am not criticizing you but you should have understood that it was simple enough for anyone to get the message..
Spicey I just don't understand people like "Anoki" who claim to be more cultured and who has a limited education on Americans...apparently, too many people who aren't American claim they no more about us than we do...this is so narrow minded and typical criticism that us Americans get all the time...
Anoki...very sarcastic statement from such a know it all..."Europeans have a more intellectual approach to life"...I guess it is okay for some Russians to scam some Americans out of their hard earn pay when they need help or need to get somewhere to go or sleep when visiting Russia...I guess the intellectual approach is to say all Americans are rich because they are traveling in Russia....I guess it is the intellectual approach to make a buck off of an American or any other foreign person just to gain a pocket full of money...no concious there....my queston is too you...How do you define "Europeans"?....What do you see is intellectual?....How do you define culture?...every nation has a different culture....how do you have more culture in your life?....How are "Europeans or Russians" any more cultured than Americans or educated?...especially when America came from European countries?...and you know Americans have more pullizer prizes than any other country....to quote a friend.... |
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nikir
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| Quote: | | and you know Americans have more pullizer prizes than any other country....to quote a friend.... |
I would say that quite possibly America would be the ONLY country to have one of these.
That statement alone speaks volumes about respective intellects. |
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Generation-P
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| Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 3:01 am Post subject: Re: US? |
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There are quite a few theaters in New York, and many Americans come to New York to visit theaters. However, the American culture is indeed very inward looking. Most people care very little about the outside world, unless something major is happening there. jo jo cannot understand and believe that this is true, because she has never lived in other countries. However, some of that inward view comes from the fact that the US is a large countries somewhere isolated from Europe by distance. It's also self-sufficient in terms of economy and culture. Also, in the US people are not populated as densely as in Europe. So, there are many explanations to this.
jo jo mentioned the Dollar General store without realizing that this is an American chain and very few people outside of the US can even appreciate this comment. |
Televizor vinovat!  If we had American Tv show's that would include genuine discourse on topics such as John Steinbeck and Mark Twain instead of fashion and family quarrels, funny little aliens outside the mighty U.S. could even have something similar to perspective when it comes to los estadounienses. I blame Hollywood!
Allthough, most of the youngsters from States that one meets in the hostels around Europe seem to be rather ignorant and too proud. I'm going to die if I even once meet those proud little americans explaining "we did Prague and Paris already, now we're going to do Riga. Oh, you haven't done Paris? *little nice fake smile*" -No, believe me I'm not going to DO Paris! I might go there on some other trip, believe me I am not participating in Amazing Race or in any other travelling contest for that matter, I am just enjoying. I like my journey, this is not a duty for me.
Now going to choose whether to listen to King Crimson or Akvarium... Tricky... Or Tricky!  |
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MrSpice
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jo jo: I did not say that Americans lack culture - that's just anti-american crap coming from some Europeans like this guy. But I find that Americans in general are much less curious and interested about the outside world, which I find puzzling in our age of globalization and information technology.
If you see CNN and Fox News, and especially local news, you will not know anything about what's happening in the world, unless it's truly terrible and dramatic (i.e., Darfur, Tzinami) or has significant affect on America (Iraq, etc.)
Otherwise, you hardly see any international news here. We have 2 large couyntries right next to us - Canada and Mexico. Yet, the only news about Mexico that is being covered on the news here is illegal immigration and drug traffiking (i.e., again, issues directly affecting the US). Do you hear anything about Canada (2nd largest country on earth after Russia, largest economic partner of the US)? Hardly anything.
You can simply compare BBC's web site and how international it is with CNN
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jo-jo-7
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| MrSpice wrote: | jo jo: I did not say that Americans lack culture - that's just anti-american crap coming from some Europeans like this guy. But I find that Americans in general are much less curious and interested about the outside world, which I find puzzling in our age of globalization and information technology.
If you see CNN and Fox News, and especially local news, you will not know anything about what's happening in the world, unless it's truly terrible and dramatic (i.e., Darfur, Tzinami) or has significant affect on America (Iraq, etc.)
Otherwise, you hardly see any international news here. We have 2 large couyntries right next to us - Canada and Mexico. Yet, the only news about Mexico that is being covered on the news here is illegal immigration and drug traffiking (i.e., again, issues directly affecting the US). Do you hear anything about Canada (2nd largest country on earth after Russia, largest economic partner of the US)? Hardly anything.
You can simply compare BBC's web site and how international it is with CNN
bbcnews.com
cnn.com |
Spicey, I mostly watch BBC more over our news channels because I want to know what is going on in the rest of the world...this guy (Anoki) was to critical or hypocritical...I was refering to him mostly in my post when I answered you...he was so anal about it...really, how much do Russians or people in Europe hear about most countries?...can they honestly say they know more or just about as much as us Americans...I think it is very limited...you are right it is dramatic or worse....we are not the superpower here...like Anoki thinks we think we are...or that everyone is unimportant....he is so Anti-American....it is such a stupid comment he made about us....I would like to hear more nice things than these dumbass remarks he made...but, you are right about the stations, we don't have many unless you pay alot of money to see these news channels...I just get on the internet to get more information if I want to know more...it is right there...we don't have to watch TV to get the news...and most Americans spend alot of time on the computer...We know more than people think we do....  |
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surfguy
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| Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 1:25 am Post subject: Re: US? |
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| Generation P wrote: | | MrSpice wrote: |
There are quite a few theaters in New York, and many Americans come to New York to visit theaters. However, the American culture is indeed very inward looking. Most people care very little about the outside world, unless something major is happening there. jo jo cannot understand and believe that this is true, because she has never lived in other countries. However, some of that inward view comes from the fact that the US is a large countries somewhere isolated from Europe by distance. It's also self-sufficient in terms of economy and culture. Also, in the US people are not populated as densely as in Europe. So, there are many explanations to this.
jo jo mentioned the Dollar General store without realizing that this is an American chain and very few people outside of the US can even appreciate this comment. |
Televizor vinovat! If we had American Tv show's that would include genuine discourse on topics such as John Steinbeck and Mark Twain instead of fashion and family quarrels, funny little aliens outside the mighty U.S. could even have something similar to perspective when it comes to los estadounienses. I blame Hollywood!
Allthough, most of the youngsters from States that one meets in the hostels around Europe seem to be rather ignorant and too proud. I'm going to die if I even once meet those proud little americans explaining "we did Prague and Paris already, now we're going to do Riga. Oh, you haven't done Paris? *little nice fake smile*" -No, believe me I'm not going to DO Paris! I might go there on some other trip, believe me I am not participating in Amazing Race or in any other travelling contest for that matter, I am just enjoying. I like my journey, this is not a duty for me.
Now going to choose whether to listen to King Crimson or Akvarium... Tricky... Or Tricky! |
"do paris or prague" it's an expression and obviously you do not understand the term or it's context and you come across equally pompous with your attitude.
There is plenty of intellectualism in the United States...just you have to open your eyes and be active in it. We have it all here. Education is the key to everything...and I'm not talking just about the education we receive at school either. But yes so many people are not interested in the world...why should they be when they are trying to just survive day to day. I can go to Russia or any where and readily find people who know nothing about the US. But why should they? |
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anoki
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Intellectual approach means you try to comprehend events from all possible points of view:through observation and analysis.
IN USA people usually just label things as black or white;good or bad.This is cool, that sucks. Even your vocabulary is very limited, compared to , let's say,British English.
Look at your movies: now comes the bad guy, he does sth wrong and then the Good guy comes and saves the world. They are all built on this painfully predictable scenario. Everything is crystal clear from the very beginning. You don't want sth more complicated, you "don't have time".
Interest in the world? Your TVs broadcastind rarely involves the world scene, except CNN and MSNBS, which too only show warzones or natural disasters. All other news are local. So people don't know what's going on outside US and almost think US is the only country on the planet, deserving any attention.
Of course I do see many positive sides in US culture. Individualism, practicality and consumerism are very important ingredients of an affluent society. It's all about values.
Russia is moving to US values, not the other way around, and you have to admit there is a positive aspect of it.
On a more psychological level, we hate what we fear. And we fear what we don't know. But I think Russians know American people now that they can travel freely around the world(even with all the visa restrictions), so there is no reason for fear. |
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surfguy
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| I agree with much of what you say, how ever some things are black and white, and some things are right and wrong, and we want certain defined results or out comes. Yes our news here in the states is very one sided...especially CNN and NBC. Everybody here knows this. So many people are tired of the doom and gloom daily news. But when the media has an agenda...it's we get. All points of views? Sure it's good to hear and comprehend them...but lets face it we all have our own. Our vocabulary is limited...are you kidding me...listen to the average brit...sorry they are very hard to understand and definitely are not out of Oxford. But I can say this...we Americans use a lot of slang...and I and my friends can all turn it on. Yes our movies are predictable and I find that to be getting tiresome. But they are to be entertaining and more often than not...feel good stories. Russian friend was just here and she can't wait to move here. We have it very good over here and if you have time...then perhaps being in other places like Russia perhaps then you can wait...but here we all want to enjoy life to the fullest. Who has time to waste waiting for things to get better...in America things are and should already be and continue to be good. This country wasn't given to us...we created it |
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| surfguy wrote: | | Who has time to waste waiting for things to get better...in America things are and should already be and continue to be good. This country wasn't given to us...we created it |
Please, let me know, if there is any country that was given to certain people. As I am not American I am so stupid that I haven't heard from such a country. |
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surfguy
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| you've asked the very question that I expected to arise. Answer me this...in a place like Russia...the country was and is given to the people...what have the masses done to make Russia a better place? Please let me know so that I better understand. It seems to me that a very few people dictate what the country is to be there. Have there been any social issues that the people have demanded? Russia's economy is based on petro dollars...which now Putin realizes is a bad commodity to have the economy based on. If Oil prices cut in half Russia is once again bankrupt. So what have the people done to better the situation...what has the Government done? If the people haven't done anything then...yes the country is given to the people. Russia is so corrupt...it's seems impossible...from an outsider's point of view...that business could really flourish there. And I'm not talking about just in Moscow. One city doesn't make a nation. ANd from my understanding...Moscow and St Pete are the only flourishing cities. I've been to St Pete and what I've seen there isn't exactly a booming place. Anyway my point is this...Can the people honestly change things there...or is it up to the Government? |
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