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nikir
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| Generation P wrote: | | surfguy wrote: | | Who has time to waste waiting for things to get better...in America things are and should already be and continue to be good. This country wasn't given to us...we created it |
Please, let me know, if there is any country that was given to certain people. As I am not American I am so stupid that I haven't heard from such a country. |
Don't know af any that have been given as such, except in the form of small parcels as part of a treaty. Many however have been taken by invasion and superior force, my own being one of them.
However not all nations on this earth feel the need to incessantly beat their chests about how great they are, after all if something is good people will see it without it being constantly rammed down their throats.
It will be interesting in 5 years time to see the lay of dominance among the current "superpowers". Who will be in the forefront I wonder? |
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surfguy
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| no doubt Russia will be a super power...all thier spending, natural resources, military build up, influence around the world...it is/will be a super power. And Putin is making sure of it. |
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nikir
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| I am more inclined to think that China will be there ahead of Russia. After all they are quietly accumulating most of the worlds scrap metal, have recently done some arms testing with a very loud public disclaimer that they are not entering the arms race, and around the Pacific it is nearly impossible to buy anything that is not made in China. they have over the past few years or so grabbed a giant slice of every countries manufacturing industry. |
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surfguy
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True but I already think of them as a world super power. And actually if the US stops to buy chinese products...china's economy will collapse. The thing is that people have to remember is that when the US wants to get back at other countries we weaken our dollar. Forces countries to buy American Real Estate, industries, businesses, products, etc. Prices go up...then we raise our Dollar and this forces the prices to drop and products are sold. The thing is...the dollar is strong..worth more...prices are cheap...and we buy it all back. Other countries lose out. America profits and stays ahead.
Anyway this is something to watch for...we did it to the Russians in the 70's, and to the Japanese in the early 80's. Oil prices are going to drop...which is why Putin is wanting to get the Russian economy based on consumerism and become more like the west. |
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nikir
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Really the days when the US could rule the roost like that are just about gone. The euro is fast becoming the strong currency and the Arab world is becoming much smarter with oil.
The US is hard pressed to look after the welfare of its own citizens let alone dictate to other countries these days. |
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That's right, EURO is becoming the strong currency. The central European bank is independant and its policy has one aim : the stability of the European economy which make it a very stable currency, an ideal reference for international trade. Euro is not used as a political waepon like US do with the Dollar, that makes a very big difference.
US dollar is still a reference but I think EURO will become sooner or later the only international currency.
As for Russia a super power, well China will be the next for sure not Russia. Just see the consumation of steel and oil, 30% of world steel production is used by chinese industry. China is developping its infra structure very quickly and everywhere in the country. The biggest projects (super long bridges, tower, road...) are designed in China, what about Russia ? I didn't hear anything about even a single big project in Russia. |
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Generation-P
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| surfguy wrote: | | you've asked the very question that I expected to arise. Answer me this...in a place like Russia...the country was and is given to the people...what have the masses done to make Russia a better place? Please let me know so that I better understand. It seems to me that a very few people dictate what the country is to be there. Have there been any social issues that the people have demanded? Russia's economy is based on petro dollars...which now Putin realizes is a bad commodity to have the economy based on. If Oil prices cut in half Russia is once again bankrupt. So what have the people done to better the situation...what has the Government done? If the people haven't done anything then...yes the country is given to the people. Russia is so corrupt...it's seems impossible...from an outsider's point of view...that business could really flourish there. And I'm not talking about just in Moscow. One city doesn't make a nation. ANd from my understanding...Moscow and St Pete are the only flourishing cities. I've been to St Pete and what I've seen there isn't exactly a booming place. Anyway my point is this...Can the people honestly change things there...or is it up to the Government? |
Ты откуда взял экономию? О чем ты вообще хочешь говорить? О културе страны? Или о экономии? Или просто кричать о том, как Америка безумно хорошая страна? Боже, экономия, какая скука!  |
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nikir
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Не кто не понимает о чем он. Только могу сказать точно что по Русский не хрена не знает. Его надо ругать на Американском языке.  Сам сказал что по Англиский ему трудно. |
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surfguy
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| Generation P wrote: | | surfguy wrote: | | you've asked the very question that I expected to arise. Answer me this...in a place like Russia...the country was and is given to the people...what have the masses done to make Russia a better place? Please let me know so that I better understand. It seems to me that a very few people dictate what the country is to be there. Have there been any social issues that the people have demanded? Russia's economy is based on petro dollars...which now Putin realizes is a bad commodity to have the economy based on. If Oil prices cut in half Russia is once again bankrupt. So what have the people done to better the situation...what has the Government done? If the people haven't done anything then...yes the country is given to the people. Russia is so corrupt...it's seems impossible...from an outsider's point of view...that business could really flourish there. And I'm not talking about just in Moscow. One city doesn't make a nation. ANd from my understanding...Moscow and St Pete are the only flourishing cities. I've been to St Pete and what I've seen there isn't exactly a booming place. Anyway my point is this...Can the people honestly change things there...or is it up to the Government? |
Ты откуда взял экономию? О чем ты вообще хочешь говорить? О културе страны? Или о экономии? Или просто кричать о том, как Америка безумно хорошая страна? Боже, экономия, какая скука! |
Sorry if it bores you...perhaps you should start a new thread...better yet come to the US and seek the opportunities here...you sound like a very pessimistic person |
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surfguy
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| mister_wizzz wrote: | That's right, EURO is becoming the strong currency. The central European bank is independant and its policy has one aim : the stability of the European economy which make it a very stable currency, an ideal reference for international trade. Euro is not used as a political waepon like US do with the Dollar, that makes a very big difference.
US dollar is still a reference but I think EURO will become sooner or later the only international currency.
As for Russia a super power, well China will be the next for sure not Russia. Just see the consumation of steel and oil, 30% of world steel production is used by chinese industry. China is developping its infra structure very quickly and everywhere in the country. The biggest projects (super long bridges, tower, road...) are designed in China, what about Russia ? I didn't hear anything about even a single big project in Russia. |
Yes it's true about China...biejing, shanghai, etc... etc...so many cities there just growing and growing. Russia is not developing. And this is because of the level of corruption and the lack of educated people. Can't wait to see the response on this...but let's face it...Russia is lacking in corporate leadership. As far as the US dollar being replaced by the Euro...The world is becoming centralized...Europe is becoming unified, North and South America is becoming better connected. I see the world as being Europe, the US, and China. Europe will consist of european states...EU membership. Russia needs to decide whether to get it's act together and be a fourth entity or part of the EU. History has shown though that it will fail too do so. What everyone needs to realize is that Europe has no natural resources...all they can sell are finished goods and technologies...so this is very limiting as EU is dependent on outside resources...cut those off and sorry-europe collapses. Which tell me...doesn't Russia have control now with being able to cut gas supplies off? The US has lots of Natural resourses...and we are not dependent on anyone for them...we have more oil here then what we need...keep this in mind-it's best to use up someone else's supplies before using up your own. Lot of oil in the states. Timber, steel, coal, nuclear energy. We have over 100 major cities here and all continue to grow. Our economy is super strong and unemployment is low. So the US will remain a key super power. What russia is now deciding to spend on it's whole military...we spend on one aircraft carrier.
As far as our influence in the worl. Forget politics...just see what happens when Americans businesses stop to do business abroad, see what happens if we close our boarders, stop our trade...where would the Arab countries be if they didn't have oil. Imagine if Israel wasn't restrained. Think about if the US, Russia, etc didn't sell arms to the Iraqis and Iran back in the 70s and 80s...Sadaam would have won...how many Iranians were killed then.
I still see us as a super power |
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mister_wizzz
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Yes it's true about China...biejing, shanghai, etc... etc...so many cities there just growing and growing. Russia is not developing. And this is because of the level of corruption and the lack of educated people. Can't wait to see the response on this...but let's face it...Russia is lacking in corporate leadership. As far as the US dollar being replaced by the Euro...The world is becoming centralized...Europe is becoming unified, North and South America is becoming better connected. I see the world as being Europe, the US, and China. Europe will consist of european states...EU membership.
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Agree.
About US dollar, the public abyssal deficit of the USA will push more and more country to trade using EURO. By the way, the rest of the world is probably fed up paying US war expenses through US dollar fluctuations.
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Russia needs to decide whether to get it's act together and be a fourth entity or part of the EU. History has shown though that it will fail too do so. What everyone needs to realize is that Europe has no natural resources...all they can sell are finished goods and technologies...so this is very limiting as EU is dependent on outside resources...cut those off and sorry-europe collapses. Which tell me...doesn't Russia have control now with being able to cut gas supplies off?
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You are right, I think also Russia will never be a member of EU simply because this country has always tried to impose its egemony to the rest of Europe and I don't think it will change even if Russia don't have the means to do so anymore.
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The US has lots of Natural resourses...and we are not dependent on anyone for them...we have more oil here then what we need...keep this in mind-it's best to use up someone else's supplies before using up your own. Lot of oil in the states. Timber, steel, coal, nuclear energy. We have over 100 major cities here and all continue to grow. Our economy is super strong and unemployment is low. So the US will remain a key super power. What russia is now deciding to spend on it's whole military...we spend on one aircraft carrier.
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That's right, energy sources is our biggest weak point. Nethertheless, if Russia or any suppliers cut off energy supply, we have some pression means : economical and military means. We don't use our military ressources as often as the US do, but if the vital interest of Europe is threatened, Europe will do for sure. Cutting off the energy supply is no more than a declaration of war.
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As far as our influence in the worl. Forget politics...just see what happens when Americans businesses stop to do business abroad, see what happens if we close our boarders, stop our trade...where would the Arab countries be if they didn't have oil. Imagine if Israel wasn't restrained.
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Well, ok so imagine if Europe stop doing business or close its borders...
About US borders, USA closed them many times for some products, by the way US do it each time the international competition threat national production.
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Think about if the US, Russia, etc didn't sell arms to the Iraqis and Iran back in the 70s and 80s...Sadaam would have won...how many Iranians were killed then.
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???! What are you talking about ? about Iraq - Iran war in the 80's ?
Western countries sold weapons to Sadam Hussein (USA included) to stop islamist progression in the middle east. Western countries did everything possible to Sadam didn't loose that war.
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I still see us as a super power |
I have never said you aren't. I only say US influence on the world will decrease more and more. |
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surfguy
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| Quote: | ???! What are you talking about ? about Iraq - Iran war in the 80's ?
Western countries sold weapons to Sadam Hussein (USA included) to stop islamist progression in the middle east. Western countries did everything possible to Sadam didn't loose that war. |
No he actually killed a lot of Iranians...my point what I wanted to say was that by arming both sides we kept either of them from totally anaillating the other sides. Had we not they would have wiped each other out. True it was to stop Islamic progression...but thier war was over border issues.
| Quote: | Agree.
About US dollar, the public abyssal deficit of the USA will push more and more country to trade using EURO. By the way, the rest of the world is probably fed up paying US war expenses through US dollar fluctuations. |
Since I was a child the deficit has always been an issue and it has never gone away...and yet people here are very well off. Oprah Winfrey made over 250 million last year, Howards Stern did over $350 million...let them pay down the debt. War is profit...always has been always will be.
| Quote: | Well, ok so imagine if Europe stop doing business or close its borders...
About US borders, USA closed them many times for some products, by the way US do it each time the international competition threat national production. |
Exactly...trade is a political tool and national interests...which is why we are in Iraq (oil), It's a two way street and is what makes the world revolve. We are all inter dependent to make things work. One economy cannot keep booming...they need to fluctuate...think of it as a bicycle...in order for it to go the pedals need to be moved...one up one donw...one up one down...and then the bicycle moves and progress is made. |
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nikir
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| Posted: Fri Feb 09, 2007 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| mister_wizzz wrote: | | surfguy wrote: |
I still see us as a super power |
I have never said you aren't. I only say US influence on the world will decrease more and more. |
Exactly it's a cycle. Empires come and empires go. Look at the history of the world.
In the current climate the US is sliding in popularity and credibility. Maybe the next president whoever he or she may be can do a bit of salvage work but they have a huge job ahead after the destruction that Bush and Rice have perpetrated.
US will still be the dominant influence on America but I think that the rest of the world will shift away sooner rather than later. |
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surfguy
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| Well it's not totally Bush...regime change in Iraq was always US policy. I personally don't think that our Presidents have that much power. 4 years to accomplish something is a short amount of time. Even if they get re elected...usually they are duck. So we'll see. Plus these guys always sit on the same boards of the same companies. I think the banks rule everything. Banks and Oil. Finance and energy...it's a powerful combination. |
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fixrim
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| Posted: Mon Feb 12, 2007 2:51 am Post subject: Russian opinion of America |
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I've been living in America and am now an American citizen after being born in Canada. I left Canada in my early twenties because where I lived there were no jobs. I've been hearing about how bad America is all my life. I was always told lots of crime, poverty, violence and just an overall bad place to live. However my experience has been very different.
I came here penniless and have acculmulated wealth far beyond what I ever could have thought possible. The opportunities here are endless. Yes this country has many, many flaws, many problems, and lots of big issue to deal with. Such is life in the world's largest economy. Many of my Canadian friends scoff at my love for this country, but its beauty, opportunity, and freedom are dear to me and I will never leave.
I don't always agree with the methods that the nation practices its foreign policy with, but at least we do something. I can well recall the Reagan years when I was told over and over Reagan was going to start a nuclear holocaust and we would surely all die! That was the prevailing wisdom in Canada at the time. I can well recall how much America was hated at that time for its policies. Say what you may, but America doesn't stand still and takes an active role in shaping the world. When American forces defeated Germany and Japan, we occupied for a time and then left. Not many invading nations "leave" the defeated country. Perhaps I am wrong, but it seems to me Western Europe fared a little better than Eastern Europe after the war!
There are also not too many nations that people are trying to get too as hard as America. Many are dying to get here. I didn't understand why before I came, but I do now.
As for poverty, there is poverty everywhere. I have travelled to most US states, as well as extensively through Europe, and there is less poverty here than I have seen elsewhere. What I notice most here is the vast wealth. After being here as long as I have, I am still shocked at how much wealth there is here. People live well here, plain and simple. People here work hard, the rule of law is good, and things are just and fair. I know many will take exception to this post, but these are my experiences.
I am also stunned by the number of people who have never been here, don't know anyone here, yet are convinced that they know what it is like. Many of my Canadian friends told me I'd get shot or robbed or mugged if I came here! Funny thing is I don't even lock my doors!
Bush isn't well liked, but as with all presidents, he won't be here long. And the next president will likely do much that the rest of world disagrees with too. |
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