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jo-jo-7
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| Firstmate wrote: | I would agree with nikir wherein he refers to the pride and determination of the Russian people.
Those of us who have spent time in Russia, and have many close friends in Russia, have seen the indomitable, and indefatigable spirt of the Russia people.
They certainly have a pride in country and culture and history that other countries including my own, could certainly take a page from. |
I agree with the fact that Russians have lots of pride and know alot about culture and history. Americans do need to study more on other cultures other than our own but, as far as pride we do have alot of that which sometimes makes us a little stubborn to learn and change as well as the people of Russia and other countries. Pride is a good to a certain extent but, being proud has no fear in teaching people about who you are in self-worth. Too me that would be the spirit of a country no matter where you are from. I have never been to Russia and hopefully I will be able to go this fall.  |
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yorbcbud
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| Firstmate wrote: | I would agree with nikir wherein he refers to the pride and determination of the Russian people.
Those of us who have spent time in Russia, and have many close friends in Russia, have seen the indomitable, and indefatigable spirt of the Russia people.
They certainly have a pride in country and culture and history that other countries including my own, could certainly take a page from. |
Russia needs no direction from the west, this is certainly true. America has the highest per capita rate of rapes, gun crimes, and assaults. I believe they still hold the record for most per capita incarcerated as well. They are constantly building new prisons, yet there are never enough. I say leave Russia alone. We, in the west, have nothing to teach anyone. We should just mind our own affairs. |
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jo-jo-7
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| yorbcbud wrote: | | Firstmate wrote: | I would agree with nikir wherein he refers to the pride and determination of the Russian people.
Those of us who have spent time in Russia, and have many close friends in Russia, have seen the indomitable, and indefatigable spirt of the Russia people.
They certainly have a pride in country and culture and history that other countries including my own, could certainly take a page from. |
Russia needs no direction from the west, this is certainly true. America has the highest per capita rate of rapes, gun crimes, and assaults. I believe they still hold the record for most per capita incarcerated as well. They are constantly building new prisons, yet there are never enough. I say leave Russia alone. We, in the west, have nothing to teach anyone. We should just mind our own affairs. |
I agree there are tons of prisons in America. There are at least 1,700 to 2,400 inmates in each of the prisons in America. |
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surfguy
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| Well like everything in the US...Prisons are big business! Big unions run them. More Prisons means more union members which means more $$$ for the union. It's pretty sad. Also so many of our inmates are illegal aliens, and are petty crimes, If we ratify our drug laws that will help. If we get rid of illegals that will help too. But yes something should be done. Prisons in other countries are very harsh...which perhaps if our's were more harsh then people would do thier utmost to stay out of them. Yes the Russian people are very proud and determined...I think it stems from having to survive against all odds. Harsh environment...harsh politics...and harsh adversaries. They should be proud. |
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nikir
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| jo jo 7 wrote: | "Russia will survive in their own way"?
Yeah! Prostitution, Bad Politics, Mafia and Corruption. That's the way to go. |
Good jojo! There is probably no reason for you to go there now, you've acquired comprehensive knowledge of life and development in the country and can post authoritatively on the subject. |
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surfguy
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| Well for societies to thrive...one thing they need is the rule of law, the capabilities to enforce them, and the willingness to abide by them. Until that happens in Russia then yes the corruption will continue on the grand scale that it is. Russia needs a hirgher level of civil rights and liberties and the right and guarantee to private ownership. |
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nikir
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| Surfguy if jojo and you ran for the position of external advisor in socio-economic affairs in Russia she would beat you to the line. |
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surfguy
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| maybe that would be good as I'm sure Russia could use another female leader...perhaps another Katherine the Great. Prostitution there from what I know is about illegal as it is here in the US. But I was told that in Russia it's hard to be a small business owner as you have to pay for protection...sort of tax to the local (mafia-run) security there. I would assume this is true since so many have told me about it. |
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nikir
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| surfguy wrote: | | maybe that would be good as I'm sure Russia could use another female leader...perhaps another Katherine the Great. |
Do you think she''d be up to the task? Could she satisfy the quota of lovers?
That tired and bedraggled statue of Katka, in her little park on Nevski, could be removed and a new one of jojo could be put in its place. Probably in a bathing suit and sash, to reflect her beauty pageant achievements.
Imagine that. Standing tall and proud, red hair blazing in the sun. Gazing serenely over that grand boulevard, secure in the knowledge that yes, there are buses. |
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surfguy
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Very descriptive writing and perhaps you could continue with the bio. As far as lovers...don't know...but then again can any of these prospective lovers be able to handle the fiery red head from Kentucky...grrrr  ... |
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yorbcbud
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That tired and bedraggled statue of Katka, in her little park on Nevski, could be removed and a new one of jojo could be put in its place. Probably in a bathing suit and sash, to reflect her beauty pageant achievements.
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That would most likely be one more acheivement than you have ever had. Unless you care to share a list of your wondrous conquests? So far, you've failed to impress anyone here. You are quite adept at picking on girls with less than perfect grammar skills, while your own grammatical skills fall somewhat short of perfection. But please, tell us all about the wonder that is nikir. I await your response with unfettered enthusiasm. |
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PapaG
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| nikir wrote: | | Russia will survive and grow in their own way and without too much assistance if any from the west. |
Can a country be either dependent or independent in today's interdependent world? The frontiers of the planet now fall within boundaries defined by history. The global economy crosses rivers, navigates culture, redefines perceptions of race, penetrates national boundaries and redefines even local politics. The rate of technological progress is astounding. The demands and returns of Russia's energy customers and population are reshaping the Russian economy.
| Mikhail Gorbachev wrote: | | If a leader regards the people as the main actor in history, then he has the right approach. He will have the proper guideline for his initiative that will express the will of the society. |
The viewpoint of a native Russian is such a rare delicacy on this forum. |
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surfguy
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| they are playing catch up...and so far it has in fact been the west that has been helping them. |
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yorbcbud
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| surfguy wrote: | | they are playing catch up...and so far it has in fact been the west that has been helping them. |
Hmmm. So far all I've heard from the west is criticism of how Mr Putin is sliding backwards. How he sides with terrorists, and murders his own citizens. It seems the most positive support that Russia gets comes from countries like China, Iran, and many of the Arab nations. Please feel free to correct me, if I'm wrong, but that's how it appears to me. |
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PapaG
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| yorbcbud wrote: | | surfguy wrote: | | they are playing catch up...and so far it has in fact been the west that has been helping them. |
Hmmm. So far all I've heard from the west is criticism of how Mr Putin is sliding backwards. How he sides with terrorists, and murders his own citizens. It seems the most positive support that Russia gets comes from countries like China, Iran, and many of the Arab nations. Please feel free to correct me, if I'm wrong, but that's how it appears to me. |
The Russian President said some good things in his July 06 BBC webcast:
| Vladimir Putin wrote: | One of the global threats today - you've just mentioned those - that's non-proliferation and disarmament. On those two issues the United States is our principal partner - just as in combating poverty, disease and so on.
The United States is also our biggest trade partner - that's one of our biggest trade turnovers is with the United States.
In essence, as for democracy and freedom of the press, I'm sure that without the development of democracy, without the freedom of the press and democratic institutions, there's no future for Russia. It won't be able to cope with such problems as we mentioned, such as corruption because there won't be a sufficient level of economic freedom. We have made our choice ourselves and we believe that the democratic path is the optimum path for development of the country.
Of course political opposition is needed in any country - always - and we will always support political opposition. I've already said on a few occasions and at a recent meeting with a leading political party in Russia - United Russia. A successful opposition depends not only on it being an opposition but also on whether it acts in the interests of a sizeable chunk of the population.
There's this, that Russia is a very rich country - and this is something I'm not proud of - we have so many people who are poverty stricken and what we are intending to do is to raise the standard of living. I hope we will be able to resolve that and not in some distant historical perspective but fairly soon.
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