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surfguy
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| It all comes down to the individual...one has to value life. I know plenty of russian women who do not agree with abortions. But as a society whether it's the church, school, parents, friends, etc. People need to educated and realize that there are consequenses to our actions. |
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jo-jo-7
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| surfguy wrote: | | It all comes down to the individual...one has to value life. I know plenty of russian women who do not agree with abortions. But as a society whether it's the church, school, parents, friends, etc. People need to educated and realize that there are consequenses to our actions. |
I agree...life should be valued...people are only hurting themselves.... |
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jo-jo-7
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| Ya know, I am curious to know what the population is in UTAH...this is a Mormon state...I bet the average Mormon family has 3 to 5 children...I could almost bet on it....talk about values...no abortion in those families.... |
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nikir
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Well we seem to be dragging all sorts of christian opinions here all of a sudden. Funny how they smell out an opportunity and swoop.
jojo a pregnancy terminated in the first trimesta is a puddle of mucus and blood in the bottom of a bucket. It will not suddenly attack you and say "mamma what have you done"? as you would like us all to believe. A discharge, nothing more. A mistake gone down the drain.
Lesson to be learned from that is take precautions. Because they are available. |
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nikir
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| Quote: | jo jo wrote :
Expat, I have a friend who had an abortion and to this day she lives with regret and guilt for doing it...she has problems from this abortion, that she cannot deal with...To me, I think abortion can cause some sort of mental problems afterwards, rather it is immediately or years later... |
Yeah jojo with your special type of support your friend will go down about 6 feet in no time.
BTW how is learning the Russian language coming along. I notice that you have never asked anyone for advice and have nonetheless managed to use the word DA aka ÄÀ ... on a couple of occasions. Well done! I really do think that is a huge achievement for someone who has so much difficulty with basic english. |
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surfguy
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| nikir wrote: | Well we seem to be dragging all sorts of christian opinions here all of a sudden. Funny how they smell out an opportunity and swoop.
jojo a pregnancy terminated in the first trimesta is a puddle of mucus and blood in the bottom of a bucket. It will not suddenly attack you and say "mamma what have you done"? as you would like us all to believe. A discharge, nothing more. A mistake gone down the drain.
Lesson to be learned from that is take precautions. Because they are available. |
So Poetic Nikir I'm sure you have a way with the women...but I think the statistics show that most abortions are done after the 1st trimesta. Earlier the better though. Watch your self when you cross the street...if karma doesn't get you an enraged women might, or one of those christians. Hug your mother and your wife...I'm sure they are proud of what you just said. |
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surfguy
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| nikir wrote: | | Quote: | jo jo wrote :
Expat, I have a friend who had an abortion and to this day she lives with regret and guilt for doing it...she has problems from this abortion, that she cannot deal with...To me, I think abortion can cause some sort of mental problems afterwards, rather it is immediately or years later... |
Yeah jojo with your special type of support your friend will go down about 6 feet in no time.
BTW how is learning the Russian language coming along. I notice that you have never asked anyone for advice and have nonetheless managed to use the word DA aka ÄÀ ... on a couple of occasions. Well done! I really do think that is a huge achievement for someone who has so much difficulty with basic english. |
On the attack Nikir...your true character is showing!
Don't worry Jojo...Nikir is a person who was aborted from mother Russia...flushed down under. |
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MrSpice
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I agree...life should be valued...people are only hurting themselves.... |
With all due respect, this statement is meaningless. It states the obvious. What normal person does not value life? It hardly has anything to do with family planning and related issues. Someone who is stongly pro-choice may feel that allowing women to make choices about their bodies and pregnancies would actually value life more, since the number of unwanted and unhappy children living in poverty will be smaller. It's all a matter of perspective.
And when you say "people are only hurting themselves" - what people are you referring to? Who is hurting themselves and why? It's not clear to me what you mean by that. |
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surfguy
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| It's a tough issue for sure and all of us are right...certainly it is wrong to bring a child into the world in which it will no be given the best support, abortions early on are better than late term. And abortions do in fact have physical and mental consequences. As Nikir said...protection is readily available. Abortions are a personal decision. All I can say is that...people need to avoid them and unwanted pregnancies. The best way to not have an abortion is to not get pregnant...ultimately this is the women's responsibility. Either don't have sex, use birth control, use protection, & require your partner to do the same. And be educated. If you have children then do and require the same of them |
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Generation-P
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| surfguy wrote: | | It's a tough issue for sure and all of us are right...certainly it is wrong to bring a child into the world in which it will no be given the best support, abortions early on are better than late term. And abortions do in fact have physical and mental consequences. As Nikir said...protection is readily available. Abortions are a personal decision. All I can say is that...people need to avoid them and unwanted pregnancies. The best way to not have an abortion is to not get pregnant...ultimately this is the women's responsibility. Either don't have sex, use birth control, use protection, & require your partner to do the same. And be educated. If you have children then do and require the same of them |
So should all women be eating BC-pills because getting pregnant is on their responsability? I am not, still I could get raped on the street and yes then I would abort. Pro-choice, I say! Women should not have to beg for men to have right to abortion as it is in some countries. Abortions should be available. If I'd got pregnant when I was 16 I'd have aborted. Most of the teenagers are not prepared to be mothers. Please try to understand that in Europe -thanks to Wojtyla, Franco and other super catholic leaders, btw - there still are countries where it is hard for a woman to get abortion. Even when it is not just for fun.
Most of things have mental and physical consequences. But you can't spend your life swimming in the black lake of "oh, I am so hurted"- emotions. Emotions are good, without them we wouldn't have half of the poetry, but sometimes you just have to let go. "Let it be" |
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mr-barley
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| Had my mother been afforded the abortion option years ago when she got pregnant at 16, my older brother may not have been and there is a chance my parents would never had gotten married. Meaning I wouldn't be here either. And if a certain young Russian woman had chosen to abort rather than bear her child, my adopted Russian son would not be either. |
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Generation-P
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Expat, I have a friend who had an abortion and to this day she lives with regret and guilt for doing it...she has problems from this abortion, that she cannot deal with...To me, I think abortion can cause some sort of mental problems afterwards, rather it is immediately or years later...  |
jo jo7, people can have mental issues on many things. It doesn't matter whether you feel bad after your friend died in a car crash or you aborted something that, for fact, couldn't feel or understand single thing. When it is sad it is sad, and the sadness comes from a person not from the world around. Life is not just about controllig your actions and desires, you have to learn how to deal with your sorrow, anger and pain of loosing something so dear. You can't teach the world to follow all your feelings, you have to adapt yourself to live with world. I don't mean that feelings should be banned and 100% controlled, but there's a point when everyone has to learn to let it go. |
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jo-jo-7
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| nikir wrote: | | Quote: | jo jo wrote :
Expat, I have a friend who had an abortion and to this day she lives with regret and guilt for doing it...she has problems from this abortion, that she cannot deal with...To me, I think abortion can cause some sort of mental problems afterwards, rather it is immediately or years later... |
Yeah jojo with your special type of support your friend will go down about 6 feet in no time.
BTW how is learning the Russian language coming along. I notice that you have never asked anyone for advice and have nonetheless managed to use the word DA aka ÄÀ ... on a couple of occasions. Well done! I really do think that is a huge achievement for someone who has so much difficulty with basic english. |
Wow...hope you are feeling good about yourself with your cold words...so, in that case...I will work on my english and russian, while you work on how to be a man...you are a real gentleman, Nikir.... 
you don't deserve my reply..... |
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MrSpice
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| jo jo 7 wrote: | | Ya know, I am curious to know what the population is in UTAH...this is a Mormon state...I bet the average Mormon family has 3 to 5 children...I could almost bet on it....talk about values...no abortion in those families.... |
So people have different values. Some live in Utah, have 4-5 kids and several wifes and spend most of their free time in church. Some live in big cities like New York or Boston and prefer to make their own decision on how to manage their reproductive rights. If you like Mormon values so much, why don't you move there and become a mormon? Should we follow any cooky religion just because they have a lot of children and don't support abortions?
Modern people should guide their lives and decisions not by religions, cults, superstitions, etc. but by scientific and historic knowledge as well as common sense. Most modern and practical people don't have more than 2-3 kids, simply because they cannot afford to have that many, and cannot provide for some many, and don't have enough space and money to have that many. |
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jo-jo-7
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| MrSpice wrote: | | jo jo 7 wrote: |
I agree...life should be valued...people are only hurting themselves.... |
With all due respect, this statement is meaningless. It states the obvious. What normal person does not value life? It hardly has anything to do with family planning and related issues. Someone who is stongly pro-choice may feel that allowing women to make choices about their bodies and pregnancies would actually value life more, since the number of unwanted and unhappy children living in poverty will be smaller. It's all a matter of perspective.
And when you say "people are only hurting themselves" - what people are you referring to? Who is hurting themselves and why? It's not clear to me what you mean by that. |
Are we not talking about abortion here?....not just about life in general....abortion is the topic...we are talking about women and abortions..."people" meaning to whom the subject is about....when I said "life should be valued and people are hurting themselves," I was referring to a babies life should be valued and a woman hurting mentally...come on...do you think a woman wants to abort a child even when she doesn't want one....a good woman will have remorse for her decisions...and will hurt in the long run unless she gets over it...which some women don't...and the other women who feel they made the right decision to abort a child will have a small little thought in the back of their minds someday and that is "what if" but, without the regrets....
life starts from the beginning.... |
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