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RusskiCanadian23
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| vitalsigns wrote: | | I've also noticed when some from there have nothing else to say they hurl insults. A national trait, I guess. |
If you got a problem with being Russian, change your name, Vitaliy! Jeez, I bet when you came to America, you acted like a mutt, told everyone how horrible Russia was so that felt sorry for you! That is the difference between you and me, Vitalik. Even in Canada, I stay Russian, I do not shit on my nation, and when someone else does, I defend Russia as any Russian would. That's because unlike you, I have my dignity. I did not whore out. None of us Russians did. When I lived in Toronto in the 90s, there were certain Canadians there that showed Canada in a rather negative way, by making negative comments about how Russia is "the Africa of europe" and how Russian women "are all whores". Unlike Vitali, we didn't agree, and we showed that by opening many successful Russian businesses in and around Toronto. Now all Torontonians believe that Russians have contributed to this city. And that Russians are a great nation. In fact it's the Russians like me who are respected, the ones who have established themselves. In fact, in Toronto, there is now the biggest Russian population in Canada.
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surfguy
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| Mogsfan wrote: | How many Russians are active in this forum, Mr. RusskiCanadian?
You're just brainwashed but what else is new for Russians who were brainwashed since Stalin and Lenin hooped their citizens for their own gain?
The revolutions you're talking about is all about GREED, POWER AND CONTROL. Your idols care about the people? Right. Communism? Well, I have read descriptions of communism and that is not what Russia had. They've been hybrids of totalitarianism, socialism and even fascism of some sort. Regardless of what you wish to call it, it is what purged Russia of potential and although Russia prospered in some cases, they destructed from greed and power-hungry politicians and money-takers. They sold out Russia.
I didn't comment on Berezovsky because I suspect he is probably another deceiver and is taking advantage of any opposition to the Fascist Putin's policies. I know he ransacked Russia for his own gain and so did many oligarchs. But, the problem is there are no innocents but as it is right now, Putin's reaction is to stomp out liberties, free speech/expression and insert a fascist type regime to curb any discussion or questioning of his policies. Of course, there are probably other politicians and bankers who are pulling strings. Always following the money and who benefits. The (former KGB) FSB are the muscle who force everyone else to follow. Guess who was at the top way back when? |
Plus look at how rich Putin is now...he's worth almost 20 billion
noticed no world leaders were mentioned on the list by forbes |
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nikir
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| vitalsigns wrote: | Mogsfan,
You would not believe how many russians have the same mentality. It amazes me that some would still prefer to have the Big Daddy to take care of them rather than building their own happiness. The russian slave-like mentality is hard to root out. I think it's almost impossible in some cases.
I wonder if this is why some russians prefer Canada over the US to immigrate to. You know, they do not have think much for themselves there, I hear. |
I agree with this, and can only conclude that it is the result of 70 odd years of living under a dictatorship. The apathy, and expectation that everything will just happen is deeply entrenched. Those that have broken away from this thinking have done well.
My family left Russian in 1920 after the civil war and the way that they and others who live here and came from that period is completely different. |
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vitalsigns
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| RusskiCanadian23 wrote: | | vitalsigns wrote: | | I've also noticed when some from there have nothing else to say they hurl insults. A national trait, I guess. |
If you got a problem with being Russian, change your name, Vitaliy! Jeez, I bet when you came to America, you acted like a mutt, told everyone how horrible Russia was so that felt sorry for you! That is the difference between you and me, Vitalik. Even in Canada, I stay Russian, I do not shit on my nation, and when someone else does, I defend Russia as any Russian would. That's because unlike you, I have my dignity. I did not whore out. None of us Russians did. When I lived in Toronto in the 90s, there were certain Canadians there that showed Canada in a rather negative way, by making negative comments about how Russia is "the Africa of europe" and how Russian women "are all whores". Unlike Vitali, we didn't agree, and we showed that by opening many successful Russian businesses in and around Toronto. Now all Torontonians believe that Russians have contributed to this city. And that Russians are a great nation. |
I never said I do not like Russia. I immigrate to the US in my late twenties, so I formed my opinions about life before I came here. I had a rather fulfilling life in Russia as well. However, I am not what I was when I still lived there. If I could describe how I think of myself: I am half russian half american.
Your problem is you get too emotional before you say something on this forum and I assume in real life too. Also, if after 10-15 years of living in Canada you will still think of yourself as "russian only" I'd say you have problems. |
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RusskiCanadian23
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| vitalsigns wrote: |
I never said I do not like Russia. I immigrate to the US in my late twenties, so I formed my opinions about life before I came here. I had a rather fulfilling life in Russia as well. However, I am not what I was when I still lived there. If I could describe how I think of myself: I am half russian half american.
Your problem is you get too emotional before you say something on this forum and I assume in real life too. Also, if after 10-15 years of living in Canada you will still think of yourself as "russian only" I'd say you have problems. |
Did I say: "russian only"? No, in fact I did not. What I said was this: despite the fact that I am in Canada, I still stay Russian. That means I do not forget my language, I still know how to play blatniyak on the guitar, like my father taught me.
And yes, I drink vodka... occasionally lol
Also I am a member of the "Russian-speaking Canadian Alliance", an organisation protecting and preserving the Russian-speaking community in Canada. Also my Vancouver-based store is called "Гастрономь". Russians own newspapers, companies and businesses in Canada. We are gaining more and more influence each and every day, as our numbers grow due to high immigration from Russia, Ukraine and the former USSR. So, yes, I am proud to be Russian, and speak Russian language. Why shouldn't I be? |
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vitalsigns
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Well, I just see how isolated and I think in a way insecure some russian and ukrainian folks in this part of the US are because they have stayed within their own culture and never ventured out to really assimilate with the locals. The younger generation is more mingled with the locals.
I get shocked every time when I hear some ukrainians still talk about how great ukrainian potatoes and tomatoes were back in their country - but they have been in the US for 20 years, for crying out loud! |
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Mogsfan
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Unforunately, you have all missed the big picture and my point. The Russian government doesn't care about the Russian people. In fact, in every government, they don't care about you as people. It is worse to varying degrees. But, we're in a Russian forum so let's keep going back to the topic of Russia.
Since the major Russian revolutions, the so-called leaders, revolutionaries and "Communists" or whatever you want to call them, Bolsheviks, whatever, were not trying to help the people but help themselves. To help themselves to power, money and control. This goes for the opposition, too. What do you do? That's a good question. All I can tell from what I've observed and now believe, is to recognize blatant violations of democratic values and ideals. This is evident with "Putin's Russia." However, let us equate this with how difficult it is to establish democratic ideals. Are Russians killing each other? Is there civil war? No to both questions. If you were to compare to Iraq, for e.g., where different groups are at civil war, killing each other or to put it politely, not getting along, you might even find some room for justifying or at least understanding a dictator "controlling" his people. Not so in Russia. The vast majority of Russians have tolerated, accepted or even if reluctantly, accepted so-called democracy and ideals or values of such a system. Yet, Putin has stepped on rights, liberties, controlled the free press and generally implemented his own brand of fascism and control. This, if we are to go by common sense in order to explain it, is out of greed, money, control and power. Other successful oligarchs and politicians or rivals (regardless of whether they are also corrupt or evil) undermine his influence and control so they have to go. He's part of a system or group of people and organizations who have a tight rein over Russia and they have decided who is allowed to join or co-exist in it. The rest of them are cast aside by various methods. Whatever works. |
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greg222
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| Surfguy wrote: | Plus look at how rich Putin is now...he's worth almost 20 billion
noticed no world leaders were mentioned on the list by forbes |
Surfguy, where on earth did you pull this nonsense figure from? |
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yorbcbud
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| According to Forbes.com, he doesn't even make the top 100 richest Russians, and the 100th richest Russian is only worth 210 million. |
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gomer
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| Mogsfan wrote: | | The (former KGB) FSB are the muscle who force everyone else to follow. Guess who was at the top way back when? |
Does that mean George H.W. Bush should not have been President of U.S. because he was head of CIA at one time? I don't recall any former head of FBI being President of U.S.. |
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gomer
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| When managed or controlled democracy first appeared, it was explained to me as the government kept managing 'things'. The democracy part was, people were freer to make as much money as they could, on their own without depending on the government for everything. If the government didn't directly control the media, the people who did knew what they should and shouldn't say if they wanted to keep their jobs. Maybe the explaination I was given was wrong. |
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vitalsigns
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Here's I believe what is going on: there are forces outside Russia that want to topple the current presidential office. Millions if not billions of dollars are poured in to support the opposition. Whatever happened with the protesters indicates only one thing: Putin is ticked off and wants to show who is really in power.
Beresovsky is calling for change of the regime again: http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/04/13/russia-billionaire.html
I wonder if he's one of the instigators behind the whole thing. |
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vitalsigns
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| And Putin is a billionaire FYI. Has been for a while. |
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Mogsfan
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| gomer wrote: | | Mogsfan wrote: | | The (former KGB) FSB are the muscle who force everyone else to follow. Guess who was at the top way back when? |
Does that mean George H.W. Bush should not have been President of U.S. because he was head of CIA at one time? I don't recall any former head of FBI being President of U.S.. |
Hmmm... don't get me talking about the Bushes. The Bush family are some of the most evil people in America.
Anyway, it's like this. It seems obvious that the Putin regime is implementing a fascist regime and what this means, is regardless whether most forces of the opposition have ulterior motives in toppling the current government, Russia is being controlled by fascists and big money. Although, some of the oligarchs got away, don't you think Putin and his gang took their money?!? Come on. Who cares who's rated where in Forbes? Putin was a former KGB. He's secretive. He knows the game.
The problem is many in the opposition are probably opportunistic and greedy. The people want liberty and an honest regime or at least one that is not going to lean fascist or become a dictatorship. No one speaks for them since everyone has ulterior motives. However, I think a Putin Russia is no good. Unless you like fascism. |
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RusskiCanadian23
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| yorbcbud wrote: | | According to Forbes.com, he doesn't even make the top 100 richest Russians, and the 100th richest Russian is only worth 210 million. |
The richest Russian is the Governor of Chukotka, Roman Abramovich. He is worth about $18, 500, 000 right now. That makes him 16th richest in the world. He actually used to have over 20 bil, but he has just gone through a VERY nasty divorce. Had to pay the wife about 5 bil, is what I heard. Lesson is, don't marry women with whom you are likely to divorce later on: you might lose a lot of money that way. lol |
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