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vitalsigns
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| jo jo 7 wrote: | | yorbcbud wrote: | | surfguy wrote: | | that's certainly part of it...but can't secure the pipelines and fields until the area is stabilized. And it is about a base there. It's about a lot of things...Iraq is a very biblical place too...historical...anyway. Russia has a huge stake in Iraq too. |
Yeah. Vitaliy's home town is in Iraq. You've heard of Babble on, haven't you?  |
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Since I do not read his posts I can only see them when someone replies to them.
We used to have some spiritual debates on this forum in the past. A certain canadian claims to be a Christian - do not buy it. Those of us who read the Bible and try to abide by it know the difference between what is true and what is not.
The Christians in Canada are becoming more and more lukewarm from fear of being labled discriminators. Canada has shipwrecked, as you know, to keep the jewdeo-christian beliefs it was based on and is now dragging everyone else down that miry pit. |
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RusskiCanadian23
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| Generation P wrote: | | Well, concerning the fact that you've been strongly supporting Putin and his way being a strong leader, one might come to a conclusion that since Putin has been in power situations and possibilities to learn, teach and discuss Mari language have been nearly vanished you as a supporter of Putin are giving your approval to his policy. Thou, on the contrary, you seem to be very loose person who will follow any leader what so ever as long as your leader is strong enough, hence you're not even aware of the policy of linguistic destruction your leader is conducting with all the force one can find. People like you are of course very necessary for dictatorship. |
Okay, how many people speak the "mari" language in Russia? About 600, 000. How many people speak Russian in Russia? About 138, 000, 000. Which language is the primary language then? Come on, what's 2+2? And yes I like Putin better then alcoholic Yeltsin and no-balls-to-keep-his-country together Gorby. |
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Generation-P
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| RusskiCanadian23 wrote: | | Generation P wrote: | | Well, concerning the fact that you've been strongly supporting Putin and his way being a strong leader, one might come to a conclusion that since Putin has been in power situations and possibilities to learn, teach and discuss Mari language have been nearly vanished you as a supporter of Putin are giving your approval to his policy. Thou, on the contrary, you seem to be very loose person who will follow any leader what so ever as long as your leader is strong enough, hence you're not even aware of the policy of linguistic destruction your leader is conducting with all the force one can find. People like you are of course very necessary for dictatorship. |
Okay, how many people speak the "mari" language in Russia? About 600, 000. How many people speak Russian in Russia? About 138, 000, 000. Which language is the primary language then? Come on, what's 2+2? And yes I like Putin better then alcoholic Yeltsin and no-balls-to-keep-his-country together Gorby. |
All languages are egual. You don't have to tell me how many speakers of russian there are, I know the figures perfectly well. You can probably explain me do Russians really feel that their language will be destructed if 600 000 speakers of Mari would have the right to education in their mother tongue as do Russians. Or is Putin the only lunatic? Besides mari people had the land first, what Russia is doing to Mari El is just the same what fellow people who went to America did to indigenous people at their continent. |
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vitalsigns
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| Generation P wrote: | | what fellow people who went to America did to indigenous people at their continent. |
Dude, I was totally agreeing with you up until this point. How far down the history do you want to go? There's no land on the entire globe that was not savagely possessed by someone at one point. (Except of of course the glorious land of the holy people of Israel - let the God of Abraham and Jacob and Isaac be forever praised! Amen!).
Are you one of those fruity ones? Do not touch America please. Whatever happened 400 years ago cannot be brought against anyone here.
So be wiser than that. |
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surfguy
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| Quote: | | Nope, don't believe I said any such thing, did I? I just haven't seen any vids of them. Doesn't mean they aren't doing those things |
| Quote: | "chech2" is the most disturbing thing I have ever seen.
chech2.mpg is a video file that has been passed around on the Internet for at least one year (as of fall 2002). It's shown up on Stile Project, without the opening title, as "chech.mpg". Its source is unknown.
It opens with a title in white on black, in a typewriter-like font, which says "Unknown Russian Soldier".
The file then cuts to an image of the Russian, in grainy but quite clear black and white video. We can see him from the neck up; he has a shaved head, and is lying on a bed of leaves or gravel. There is the front half of a black boot - the boot of a Chechen, as the story goes - holding him down by pressing against his cheek. There is the back end of a knife pressed against his neck.
The knife enters his skin, and quickly cuts across the front of his throat. The Russian gasps, calls out, and then succumbs to the wound with a low gurgling sound. The video quickly fades to a view of the Russian's upper body and the Chechen's lower body, and surveys the spray of blood across the ground. That is |
I don't want to post the vid as it is too disturbing |
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surfguy
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| greg222 wrote: | | surfguy wrote: | | Her property holdings are in excess of a billion. And her net worth is estimated to be about 20 billion. |
You seem to like this number. Where did you get this one from? Another article you read? While Putin is undoubtedly reaping massive benefits from his position, the size of the figures you quoted is simply ridiculous. And I'm starting to think you just made them up yourself... |
this is what is posted just on wikipedia
| Quote: | Finances
The Queen's personal fortune has been the subject of speculation for many years. Sometimes estimated at US$10 billion, recently Forbes magazine conservatively estimated her fortune at around US$500 million (£280 million).[26] This figure seems to agree with official Palace statements that called reports of the Queen's supposed multibillion-dollar wealth "grossly over-exaggerated;" however, it conflicts with a total addition of the Queen's personal holdings. Her personal art collection is worth at least £10 billion, but is held in trust for the nation, and cannot be sold.[citation needed]
The Queen also owns large amounts of property privately that have never been valued, including Sandringham House, Balmoral Castle — reputedly worth £160 million — and the Castle of Mey. Press reports upon the death of the Queen Mother, the previous owner of the Castle of Mey, speculated that by the Queen's inheritance, £28 million of death duties were avoided on an estate worth £70 million.[27] Furthermore there is control and ownership of the Duchy of Lancaster, which is valued at £310 million and transferred a private income to the Monarch of £9.811 million in 2006.
The Queen also technically owns the Crown Estate with holdings of £6 billion; however, the income of this is transferred to the Treasury in return for the civil list payments, and the legal effects of the Monarch reclaiming it and giving up civil list payments in exchange are unknown. |
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surfguy
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| vitalsigns wrote: | | Generation P wrote: | | what fellow people who went to America did to indigenous people at their continent. |
Dude, I was totally agreeing with you up until this point. How far down the history do you want to go? There's no land on the entire globe that was not savagely possessed by someone at one point. (Except of of course the glorious land of the holy people of Israel - let the God of Abraham and Jacob and Isaac be forever praised! Amen!).
Are you one of those fruity ones? Do not touch America please. Whatever happened 400 years ago cannot be brought against anyone here.
So be wiser than that. |
I agree with you vitals...reality of the world is what it is. |
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greg222
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Surfguy, three times I have posted the same thing now and you still haven't given a decent answer to my very simple question. Are you going to?
Why am I nagging about this? Because this website is supposed to be about making Russia more accessible to people, both in terms of travel and more broadly. Mindless misinformation does not help this cause. If the article you supposedly read actually exists then I suggest you try to become a more discerning reader or, at the very least, stop regurgitating every bit of nonsense you read onto this forum. Having an opinion is one thing. Posting blatant lies and presenting them as fact is another.
Looking back, that sounds a bit harsh. So I should stick a smiley at the end  |
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krasatulya
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Hey Greg,
Any idea when we may expect some new interviews posted with Russian people? |
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greg222
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| Sorry, I'm not sure. Dmitry decides when the updates are rolled out. I think he has some in supply so it shouldn't be too long. I've got some recorded from Kazan and Samara, but translating is such a tedious task so I keep putting it off. I guess I'll try to do them by the end of this month. |
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mister_wizzz
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| vitalsigns wrote: | | Generation P wrote: | | what fellow people who went to America did to indigenous people at their continent. |
Dude, I was totally agreeing with you up until this point. How far down the history do you want to go? There's no land on the entire globe that was not savagely possessed by someone at one point. (Except of of course the glorious land of the holy people of Israel - let the God of Abraham and Jacob and Isaac be forever praised! Amen!).
Are you one of those fruity ones? Do not touch America please. Whatever happened 400 years ago cannot be brought against anyone here.
So be wiser than that. |
400 years ago ? Come on, the last indian war took place in 1878, but you are right : the next generations of Americans don't have the responsability of this genocide but it is really a shame that a movie like "dance with wolves" finally said the truth about this dark side of US history in 1991. |
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krasatulya
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I never saw Dances with Wolves, but it's sad to think that a movie would be the medium through which many people saw the reality of what happened to the Native Americans.
A book I read in H.S., Bury My Hear at Wounded Knee, provides an excellent history of the fights that took place between settlers and various Native American tribes from 1860-1880's period. It shows the brutality of how the Native American people were massacred and forced to give up their land. |
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RusskiCanadian23
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| greg222 wrote: | Surfguy, three times I have posted the same thing now and you still haven't given a decent answer to my very simple question. Are you going to?
Why am I nagging about this? Because this website is supposed to be about making Russia more accessible to people, both in terms of travel and more broadly. Mindless misinformation does not help this cause. If the article you supposedly read actually exists then I suggest you try to become a more discerning reader or, at the very least, stop regurgitating every bit of nonsense you read onto this forum. Having an opinion is one thing. Posting blatant lies and presenting them as fact is another.
Looking back, that sounds a bit harsh. So I should stick a smiley at the end |
What "blatant lies"? That chechens are not crimnals? they are! what else do you want me to answer for you? |
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surfguy
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| yorbcbud wrote: | | surfguy wrote: | | that's certainly part of it...but can't secure the pipelines and fields until the area is stabilized. And it is about a base there. It's about a lot of things...Iraq is a very biblical place too...historical...anyway. Russia has a huge stake in Iraq too. |
Yeah. Vitaliy's home town is in Iraq. You've heard of Babble on, haven't you? |
that's funny some good wit! I'm laughing...babble on! |
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surfguy
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| Greg...I'm not trying to deter anyone from visiting Russia...on the contrary for sure. As far as Putin I will post the articles as soon as re locate them. But The Queen of England is worth well over a billion dollars...Forbes pointed this out...that thier estimates my not be accurate as her wealth is very hard to assest. Putin has had much econimacl gain since being in power. But reading my post I did state that ecomomical gain comes with the territory and that all leaders do in fact increase thier wealth from thier positions in office. And Putin certainly is not the exception. Also I have stated that I respect Putin in a lot of ways...and I think he is a strong leader. I'm not Russian and what he does may not be in My countrie's best interest but for Russia it may very well be...but that is for you Russians to decide and not me. Let's look at Putin's aquired wealth for what it is...and can you not disagree that he has gained greatly since his obtaining office? Certainly it seems so. As I've stated this happens in every country...power begets wealth and wealth begets power...it's always been this way. The topic of this thread is Post Putin Russia and the subject that I respond with I think is relevant. Let's hear and see some legitimate responses and facts to argue against what I say...obviously I am not here to spread lies...and the truth is what we are after. Of course we are just conversing casually in an on line forum. I just find it interesting how much people are worth. And Russia has a lot of wealth today. If wealth can buy power or take power away then that is scary for any society. Now a recent article in Mscow Times said the Bederovsky is seeking to use his money to over throw Putin by a Coup and that is disturbing. Ok what do I know...and if you have any info on Putin's worth...lt us know |
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