| Who would you vote for? |
| Joseph Stalin |
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23% |
[ 3 ] |
| Adolf Hitler |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Saddam Hussein |
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7% |
[ 1 ] |
| Kim Jong Il |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Mao Tse-tung |
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7% |
[ 1 ] |
| Osama bin-Laden |
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0% |
[ 0 ] |
| Slobodan Milosevic |
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7% |
[ 1 ] |
| Me |
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53% |
[ 7 ] |
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surfguy
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| yorbcbud wrote: | | surfguy wrote: | | the point is this: with regards to Bush...it doesn't matter what people think of him, because he will be gone in a couple of years. And if the democrats win then Bush will definitely not matter any more. So what people think is irrelavent. US policy in Iraq was/is and has always been regime change and this is not peculiar to only one of our policies. Think about it...we were controlling Iraq long before Bush was in office. Anyway you stated leaders who killed millions and millions of thier own countrymen...sorry No US President has ever done that. |
Well, he surpassed Bin Laden, and I would say he's a very close second to Hussein, and Milosevic. Given time, he would match the others. Thank the good Lord he only had 8 years to go at it.  |
What are you kidding me? No way Milosovic is responsible for How much Genocide, Saddaam gassed his own people...so ask who the Kurds would rather support, and Osama? BC what a statement you are making...look at the record. You should ask the Afghanis who they support...it's not Osama. Perhaps you are due to get out of the woods and out and about the real world. So tell us then BC who would you vote for? Oh and by the way...exactly how many of our own civilian population has Bush killed? That's right no where near the numbers of any of the listed leaders...that's a fact. So your point is ludicrous! |
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yorbcbud
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| surfguy wrote: | | yorbcbud wrote: | | surfguy wrote: | | the point is this: with regards to Bush...it doesn't matter what people think of him, because he will be gone in a couple of years. And if the democrats win then Bush will definitely not matter any more. So what people think is irrelavent. US policy in Iraq was/is and has always been regime change and this is not peculiar to only one of our policies. Think about it...we were controlling Iraq long before Bush was in office. Anyway you stated leaders who killed millions and millions of thier own countrymen...sorry No US President has ever done that. |
Well, he surpassed Bin Laden, and I would say he's a very close second to Hussein, and Milosevic. Given time, he would match the others. Thank the good Lord he only had 8 years to go at it. |
What are you kidding me? No way Milosovic is responsible for How much Genocide, Saddaam gassed his own people...so ask who the Kurds would rather support, and Osama? BC what a statement you are making...look at the record. You should ask the Afghanis who they support...it's not Osama. Perhaps you are due to get out of the woods and out and about the real world. So tell us then BC who would you vote for? Oh and by the way...exactly how many of our own civilian population has Bush killed? That's right no where near the numbers of any of the listed leaders...that's a fact. So your point is ludicrous! |
Actually I looked up Milosevics kill tally, and it is 230,000. I think Bush may have him beat in Iraq. Hussein still has him beat by a fair bit. But I did say he was a close second. So you only count it if you kill your own people? Talk about ludicrous statements. Bin Laden didn't run Afghanistan, the Taliban did, so that statement makes no sense. I don't support any of them. Thats why I called them all retards.
I don't know what world you live in, but mine is very real. |
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yorbcbud
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surfguy
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 2:58 am Post subject: |
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| yes...230,000 in his own country...that is what I am referring to. Other wise we can say that all leaders are the same...How many died in Vietnam, How many Chinese did the Japanese kill, How many did the comare rouge kill, not to mention all the African conflicts...nope Bush hasn't killed no where near what the mentioned leaders have killed. |
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surfguy
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| Quote: | | Oh and by the way...exactly how many of our own civilian population has Bush killed? That's right no where near the numbers of any of the listed leaders...that's a fact. So your point is ludicrous! |
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solis
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:03 am Post subject: |
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| surfguy wrote: | | Oh and by the way...exactly how many of our own civilian population has Bush killed? |
Over 3000 just in Iraq, if you don't count those in this country. |
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yorbcbud
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| surfguy wrote: | | yes...230,000 in his own country...that is what I am referring to. Other wise we can say that all leaders are the same...How many died in Vietnam, How many Chinese did the Japanese kill, How many did the comare rouge kill, not to mention all the African conflicts...nope Bush hasn't killed no where near what the mentioned leaders have killed. |
I'm talking about deaths that people have caused, period. Hitler wins by a long shot at 60 million. It's nasty for you not to qualify the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqis, caused as a direct result of the Iraq invasion. Those people are every bit as valuable as American soldiers. It's rude for you not to give any recognition to that fact. Those deaths fall directly on the shoulders of George W Bush, and nobody else. That tally is estimated at over 600, 000. I'm disappointed in you. |
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jo-jo-7
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I just like to know why "Putin" isn't in this poll. He is certainly on his way to become the next murderous monster like the others'....  |
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yorbcbud
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| jo jo 7 wrote: | | I just like to know why "Putin" isn't in this poll. He is certainly on his way to become the next murderous monster like the others'.... |
He'd have to go a long way to even be on the playing field with those people.
He's not even in their league. |
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jo-jo-7
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| Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2007 3:27 am Post subject: |
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| yorbcbud wrote: | | jo jo 7 wrote: | | I just like to know why "Putin" isn't in this poll. He is certainly on his way to become the next murderous monster like the others'.... |
He'd have to go a long way to even be on the playing field with those people.
He's not even in their league. |
I don't believe that...How much do you know about him?..Besides, I said he is on his way to becoming the next monster. |
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surfguy
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| solis wrote: | | surfguy wrote: | | Oh and by the way...exactly how many of our own civilian population has Bush killed? |
Over 3000 just in Iraq, if you don't count those in this country. |
That would be military solis
Yes BC Iraqi casualties or any casualties for that matter are unwanted...but unfortunately they happen/ed Of course the struggle in Iraq is all about oil and who controls it...to think other wise is to be very naive. And to think that Bush is the sole leader in this venture is to also be naive. Nope Democrat or Republican whoever leads next will be pursuing the same interests as those of our current presidency...it's about Oil. Shia are fighting Sunni for control of the revenues that Iraq is to recieve. It's sad but true. |
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surfguy
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| jo jo 7 wrote: | | yorbcbud wrote: | | jo jo 7 wrote: | | I just like to know why "Putin" isn't in this poll. He is certainly on his way to become the next murderous monster like the others'.... |
He'd have to go a long way to even be on the playing field with those people.
He's not even in their league. |
I don't believe that...How much do you know about him?..Besides, I said he is on his way to becoming the next monster. |
Well I think the chechnyans are not too favorable of Putin...but too I wonder how Putin would have handled Iraq having been in the same situation as Bush. I guarantee if Putin's Dad had an assassination attempt on him...He'd have the culprits taken out. I'd like to learn a little more about Putin and his doings before judging him and besides he too like Bush is no where in the same league as those on the lists. |
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yorbcbud
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Well I think the chechnyans are not too favorable of Putin...but too I wonder how Putin would have handled Iraq having been in the same situation as Bush. I guarantee if Putin's Dad had an assassination attempt on him...He'd have the culprits taken out. I'd like to learn a little more about Putin and his doings before judging him and besides he too like Bush is no where in the same league as those on the lists. |
The death toll in Chechnya is estimated at 150 to 160 thousand, so if you assign that number to Pootie, he is getting up there. So I guess in that respect, Jojo's thought has some merit. |
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RusskiCanadian23
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| jo jo 7 wrote: | | I just like to know why "Putin" isn't in this poll. He is certainly on his way to become the next murderous monster like the others'.... |
True. And I will include him... when he is out of the office. Besides, he isn't all bad. I called my folks in Moscow they say life is better under VVP then it was under Yeltsin: there is food, at affordable prises, pensions are going up, more money is spent on education, young parents recieve more support, army serving time is reduced. See, in Russia almost every leader we had since I think Peter the Great, had some kind of problem with him. It sucks but it's the truth. lol |
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RusskiCanadian23
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Well I think the chechnyans are not too favorable of Putin...but too I wonder how Putin would have handled Iraq having been in the same situation as Bush. I guarantee if Putin's Dad had an assassination attempt on him...He'd have the culprits taken out. I'd like to learn a little more about Putin and his doings before judging him and besides he too like Bush is no where in the same league as those on the lists. |
Putin handled The Chechen Problem a whole lot better the that mimsy Yeltsin! He said quietly and clearly: "We do not negotiate with terrorists and bandits! If you attacks schools and concerts (Beslan, Nord-Ost), and invade other Republics of Russia (Dagestan), and if dare kill our children, THEN WE'LL BLOODY KILL YOU! We'll find you in your caves, we'll shoot you in a washroom if we catch you there! (This frase became a legend with the Russian youth!) You will pay for this (This is his very emotional speech after Beslan) with your lives! All of you!". And he kept his word: Basaev is dead, so is Maskhadov, so are most other "leaders" and most of the gangs have already surrenderred. For this I respect him. Unlike Yeltsin who bent over for the Chechens, Putin showed all Russians HE IS A MAN! He dealt with the terrorists the KGB way! You can disagree with me, but I find that is a very good thing! |
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