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Ender
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gomer
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| Maybe the U.S. government no longer officially practices the policy of containment but there is nothing to prevent the U.S. military from doing so unofficially. |
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Russophile
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| Good for Putin! Somebody needs to stand up to the US. |
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surfguy
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| Well Putin is meeting with Bush this week and I think they are probably doing some sort of behind the doors deals. I give Putin a lot of credit and respect...I think he is doing what is in the best interest of russia...but ultimately history will tell |
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Russophile
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| surfguy wrote: | | Well Putin is meeting with Bush this week and I think they are probably doing some sort of behind the doors deals. I give Putin a lot of credit and respect...I think he is doing what is in the best interest of russia...but ultimately history will tell |
Have you seen this?
| Quote: | June 3, 1997
American foreign and defense policy is adrift. Conservatives have criticized the incoherent policies of the Clinton Administration. They have also resisted isolationist impulses from within their own ranks. But conservatives have not confidently advanced a strategic vision of America's role in the world. They have not set forth guiding principles for American foreign policy. They have allowed differences over tactics to obscure potential agreement on strategic objectives. And they have not fought for a defense budget that would maintain American security and advance American interests in the new century.
We aim to change this. We aim to make the case and rally support for American global leadership.
As the 20th century draws to a close, the United States stands as the world's preeminent power. Having led the West to victory in the Cold War, America faces an opportunity and a challenge: Does the United States have the vision to build upon the achievements of past decades? Does the United States have the resolve to shape a new century favorable to American principles and interests?
We are in danger of squandering the opportunity and failing the challenge. We are living off the capital -- both the military investments and the foreign policy achievements -- built up by past administrations. Cuts in foreign affairs and defense spending, inattention to the tools of statecraft, and inconstant leadership are making it increasingly difficult to sustain American influence around the world. And the promise of short-term commercial benefits threatens to override strategic considerations. As a consequence, we are jeopardizing the nation's ability to meet present threats and to deal with potentially greater challenges that lie ahead.
We seem to have forgotten the essential elements of the Reagan Administration's success: a military that is strong and ready to meet both present and future challenges; a foreign policy that boldly and purposefully promotes American principles abroad; and national leadership that accepts the United States' global responsibilities.
Of course, the United States must be prudent in how it exercises its power. But we cannot safely avoid the responsibilities of global leadership or the costs that are associated with its exercise. America has a vital role in maintaining peace and security in Europe, Asia, and the Middle East. If we shirk our responsibilities, we invite challenges to our fundamental interests. The history of the 20th century should have taught us that it is important to shape circumstances before crises emerge, and to meet threats before they become dire. The history of this century should have taught us to embrace the cause of American leadership.
Our aim is to remind Americans of these lessons and to draw their consequences for today. Here are four consequences:
• we need to increase defense spending significantly if we are to carry out our global
responsibilities today and modernize our armed forces for the future;
• we need to strengthen our ties to democratic allies and to challenge regimes hostile to our interests and values;
• we need to promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad;
• we need to accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles. |
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm
Signatories to the statement of priciples include Jeb Bush and Paul Wolfowitz...so I´d say Russia´s dealing with an aggressive nation with imperialistic aspirations....weapons of mass destruction ring a bell?!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_for_the_New_American_Century#Project_staff |
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surfguy
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| the scary thing is an arms race...not that one ever ended...but there is huge profits in defense industry and so I wonder if on both sides there is profiteering going on. National Interests...nations are nothing more than big business |
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Russophile
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| surfguy wrote: | | the scary thing is an arms race...not that one ever ended...but there is huge profits in defense industry and so I wonder if on both sides there is profiteering going on. National Interests...nations are nothing more than big business |
True...the Americans are the biggest spenders on arms, though. Also they promised they´d not have a NATO presence in the former Warsaw Pact countries.
Their missile defence program appears to be a sham if you ask me. Have a look at North Korea on a map and find the shortest route to the US!
http://www.truemajority.org/oreos/ - this is worth a quick viewing! |
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surfguy
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| from what I know it's missile tracking systems...but yes the Cold War is still going on...never really ended...just russia needed to regroup. But all this said doesn't mean we are enemies...and I'm sure defense build ups are good for both economies. And obviously the USA needs to protect our Interests as does Russia need to protect her's |
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surfguy
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| I think behind closed doors...Russia and the US have a partnership that is designed to look otherwise on the surface. But when it comes down to it we are allied |
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yorbcbud
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Fire_Goddess
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Russia needs to clean up its act and stop pissing off its neighbors, and maybe then too they can participate in building defense systems in Europe. If the U.S.A and Russia keep acting suspicious of one another, they will never be able to come together on issues like terrorism. Its easier for terrorists to exist in areas where there is infighting. We need to stop providing these people with the perfect opportunities to terrorize. |
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nikir
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| surfguy wrote: | | I think behind closed doors...Russia and the US have a partnership that is designed to look otherwise on the surface. But when it comes down to it we are allied |
I think you spend far too much time with your hand on your dick. |
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jo-jo-7
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 1:27 pm Post subject: Re: The Tsar has spoken... |
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| Fire_Goddess wrote: |
Russia needs to clean up its act and stop pissing off its neighbors, and maybe then too they can participate in building defense systems in Europe. If the U.S.A and Russia keep acting suspicious of one another, they will never be able to come together on issues like terrorism. Its easier for terrorists to exist in areas where there is infighting. We need to stop providing these people with the perfect opportunities to terrorize. |
You are right about that, but when two strong heads disagree it is hard to build relationships and work together. It's a men for ya. I don't go around and bash the men, but this is why countries are so screwed up. It is a who is better than who attitude.
Just my thoughts |
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Russophile
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| Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2007 3:56 pm Post subject: Re: The Tsar has spoken... |
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| Fire_Goddess wrote: |
Russia needs to clean up its act and stop pissing off its neighbors, and maybe then too they can participate in building defense systems in Europe. If the U.S.A and Russia keep acting suspicious of one another, they will never be able to come together on issues like terrorism. Its easier for terrorists to exist in areas where there is infighting. We need to stop providing these people with the perfect opportunities to terrorize. |
Well firstly when the Soviet Union broke up, the US stated they'd never have a military presence in the former Eastern Bloc. The the US withdrew from the anti-ballistic missile treaty in 2001, and are now proposing to have installations in the Czech Republic, Polan and Romania.
As I have stated previously in this thread - HAVE A LOOK AT A MAP OF THE WORLD AND ASK YOURSELF IF NORTH KOREA WOULD FIRE MISSILES OVER EUROPE TO REACH THE US!
I think the Russians have evry right to be suspicious. As for treating neighbouring countries badly, ever heard of Cuba?! |
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