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camarks
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Kolobed,
Unfortunately I can not help you with your initial request and have no desire to participate in the name calling etc., but as one who has adopted a child from Russia, I am very interested in the issues you raise. I am well aware of Russia's requirements for male resident citizens to serve in the mlitary. I am also well aware of the US Consolates' vague sugestions that male Russian citizens may experience problems. I had a reference to Russian law, which I can unfortunately no longer find, that indicated that permanent residents of other countries were not required to serve in the Russian military. I know this is an emotional issue for many former Soviet or Russian citizens and understand your desire to renounce your Russian citizenship. However, inspite of all the information about these issues that is out there, I have yet to hear of a single case of a resident of any other country being required to serve in the Russian military (regardless of citizenship). Can you point to any credible news source that indicates that this has happened. Thanks, |
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kolobed
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 12:23 am Post subject: |
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chris,
first of all, i admire your decision to adopt a child from russia. i think it's a great deed, and i am hoping to do the same in the future. although, i don't know if it's going to be possible due to recent changes in russian law. anyway, back to renouncing, draft, etc...
i'm not really sure what you mean by "resident" citizens. you are either a permanent resident or a citizen. it does not matter if you reside in a country or not, you are still a citizen of that country and you must abide by that country's laws when you are within its jurisdiction.
if you consider the information provided on an official US embassy website "vague suggestions", that is your prerogative. unfortunately, i cannot provide you with "trustworthy" news sources, simply because a russian citizen that returns to russia and gets drafted into the russian army is not exactly worthy of a cnn headline. what i can tell you, is that it has happened to a friend of a friend of mine, and that is all i need to know to make my decision. like i said before, i am not seeking advice on this matter, i was simply trying to find out how long it would take to renounce my russian citizenship.
furthermore, if your adopted child is still a russian citizen, i would highly recommend renouncing it. the risk reward ratio here is absurd. the issue of the draft is not an emotional one, it is a matter of life and death... i chose not to gamble this time around... |
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goDutch
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| kolobed wrote: | guys...
i really appreciate everyone's input...
but my question is for those who have gone through the process and have renounced their russian citizenship. |
I have gone through the process. It took 6 month after submitting all the documents. Until the process is not finished, the consulate will not give you visa to Russia. You must use your russian passport, you are considered as a Russian citizen, and, as far as I know, the US goverment is not going to protect you from the Russian goverment in case of troubles. |
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jo-jo-7
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| Posted: Thu Jun 14, 2007 11:41 pm Post subject: Re: renouncing russian citizenship |
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| kolobed wrote: | hey peepsels. does anyone know how long it takes until my russian citizenship will officially be in the toilet, given no unusual circumstances, from the time that all of the documents have been submitted?
i recently became a US citizen and i'm preparing for my return to the "mother land" for the first time in 12 years. i haven't been able to visit due to the risk of being drafted the moment i step onto the russian soil.
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Kolobed, I believe Krastulya is correct. If you have became a citizen of the US then you are a US citizen now. You have a current home address in the States? Have you lived at the same adress for 12 years? I will call my uncle and ask him a few things for you. He definately would know. |
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Daria
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| goDutch wrote: | | kolobed wrote: | guys...
i really appreciate everyone's input...
but my question is for those who have gone through the process and have renounced their russian citizenship. |
I have gone through the process. It took 6 month after submitting all the documents. Until the process is not finished, the consulate will not give you visa to Russia. You must use your russian passport, you are considered as a Russian citizen, and, as far as I know, the US goverment is not going to protect you from the Russian goverment in case of troubles. |
That's right. They say “ We can protect you from any country, except for the one you came from.” |
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kolobed
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 12:29 am Post subject: |
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| goDutch, you the man! thank you, that is all i wanted to know. |
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jo-jo-7
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Kolobed, I am not trying to be negative about your visit in Russia, but(very good resource) my uncle says:
1. You are still a "Russian citizen" and they don't care about your American citizenship.
2. They could detain you there for a long time.
3.. You could be considered a deserter if you left Russia for the US in the time of drafting.
4. Have money to pay them off with.
5. If you don't have money then be prepared to serve 2 years in the Russian military.
Some advice, if you own a house in the USA, cover your furniture and talk to your insurance company or your mortagage company before you leave.
You might not be back for two years. lol |
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kolobed
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| Posted: Fri Jun 15, 2007 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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| jo jo 7 wrote: | Kolobed, I am not trying to be negative about your visit in Russia, but(very good resource) my uncle says:
1. You are still a "Russian citizen" and they don't care about your American citizenship.
2. They could detain you there for a long time.
3.. You could be considered a deserter if you left Russia for the US in the time of drafting.
4. Have money to pay them off with.
5. If you don't have money then be prepared to serve 2 years in the Russian military.
Some advice, if you own a house in the USA, cover your furniture and talk to your insurance company or your mortagage company before you leave.
You might not be back for two years. lol |
yea, i know all of this. i'm not going anywhere until my russian citizenship is officially renounced. |
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goDutch
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| kolobed wrote: | | ... that is all i wanted to know. |
For information.
Renounicng Russian citizenship requires a statement from a tax office that one does not owe taxes in Russia. This is a special version of the statement: "... for those renouncing Russian citizenship". Normally, tax offices provide you with the "standard" version, and they are not aware of the "special" version. Mak it sure that the tax office understands what you want. Otherwise, they will give you the "standard" version, which will most probably be rejected by the consulate. The "special" version contains passport data, while the "standard" does not. |
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kolobed
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| Posted: Sat Jun 16, 2007 12:34 am Post subject: |
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| goDutch wrote: | | kolobed wrote: | | ... that is all i wanted to know. |
For information.
Renounicng Russian citizenship requires a statement from a tax office that one does not owe taxes in Russia. This is a special version of the statement: "... for those renouncing Russian citizenship". Normally, tax offices provide you with the "standard" version, and they are not aware of the "special" version. Mak it sure that the tax office understands what you want. Otherwise, they will give you the "standard" version, which will most probably be rejected by the consulate. The "special" version contains passport data, while the "standard" does not. |
thanks, i'll definitely keep that in mind. i'm working with my immigration attorney on this matter, so she is preparing all the documents. but i'll be sure to mention it to her. did you go through a lawyer or just do it yourself? |
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goDutch
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... did you go through a lawyer or just do it yourself? |
Did it myself.
This required several trips to Russia. |
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kolobed
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| goDutch wrote: | Did it myself.
This required several trips to Russia. |
i guess that's not an option for me at this time. we'll see what happens... thanks again! |
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simmona
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Kolobed,
I know that my reply might be a bit too late, but… I did successfully renounce Russian citizenship a couple of years ago without going to Russia. What you need to do is find someone there who you can rely on and give that person a limited power of attorney to collect various documents on your behalf. One of my aunt’s friends was able to collect all of the docs I needed, but I did have to send her a lot of money to assure smooth collection of such documents… Once I submitted all of the documents to the Russian Consulate, it only took about 6 months to get official certificates. The process was really painless and I was pleasantly surprised the way consulate handled the case.
If there is a will, there is a way! Don’t let anyone tell you otherwise…
Simmona |
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dmitristuckinus
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What do you guys think of this bit?
статья 15д гласит, что:
" Не подлежат воинскому учету в военных комиссариатах, органах местного самоуправления и организациях граждане:
д) постоянно проживающие за пределами Российской Федерации"
"Persons permanently living outside of Russian Federation"
How does one prove then, that he is living permanently abroad? |
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goDutch
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статья 15д гласит, что:
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It works the other way around. The official proof that you are living permanently abroad is the stamp in your foreign passport. In order to get this stamp, you need to de-register at the local "Voenkomat". In practice, you do this together with de-registration at the local police office. You go to the police office, tell them that you are leaving Russia, and show them whatever they accept as a proof. A foreign passport or residence permit may be sufficient for them. They give you a letter to the military office with the request to de-register you there. You go to the military office, show them this letter, your "proof", and de-register. Then go back to police office and finish de-registration. |
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