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Markus
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| kolobed wrote: | ummm... ok...
Global warming is the increase in the average temperature of the Earth's near-surface air and oceans in recent decades and its projected continuation.
Global average air temperature near the Earth's surface rose 0.74 ± 0.18 °C (1.3 ± 0.32 °F) during the past century. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) concludes, "most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations,"[1] which leads to warming of the surface and lower atmosphere by increasing the greenhouse effect. Natural phenomena such as solar variation combined with volcanoes have probably had a small warming effect from pre-industrial times to 1950, but a small cooling effect since 1950.[2][3] These basic conclusions have been endorsed by at least 30 scientific societies and academies of science, including all of the national academies of science of the major industrialized countries. The American Association of Petroleum Geologists is the only scientific society that rejects these conclusions. |
I am not trying to be mean. But you know, it sounds so rediculous to me. These are not facts. These are just people measuring temperature and seeing a slight overall increase.
Science however works like this: You repeat the same experiment over and over again and it has to produce exactly the same result for it to become a scientific fact.
The flaw of the global warming theory is mainly this: the proponents compare data within the last 50 - 100 years. What is a hundred years for the earth? It's a drop in a bucket. You can't make a fact out of some ambiguous research. It will take several centuries for scientists to prove that the earth is actually warming up. Colorado's coldest spring and summer points to the opposite.
Any self-respecting scientist will never sign up under the GW theory. Only the ACLU type. |
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yorbcbud
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| mister_wizzz wrote: | | surfguy wrote: | | the average american works just over 6 months a year to pay taxes...which go to support the world...we pay 60% of the UN's budget...what's that about? |
It is unblievable the number of lies you say...
Finally BCBUD is probably right about you.
The contribution of the US in the UN budget is 22%. |
I'm not the only one. BTW, here's a tidbit for you. Make of it, what you will. This is from 1998. Perhaps someone can confirm if they actually paid this debt, but I've heard for years that the US is delinquent on it's dues.
| Quote: | | In fact, 35 years ago the United States eloquently and successfully argued to both the International Court of Justice and the UNGeneral Assembly that UN dues are legally binding financial obligations in international law. The United States is now delinquent $1.6 billion in UN dues. These arrears accumulated during several years of non-payment for peacekeeping and regular budgets for which America had voted. |
http://www.unausa.org/site/pp.asp?c=fvKRI8MPJpF&b=475727
To Surfguy: this is what we refer to as a quoted source. |
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yorbcbud
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Markus wrote: |
I am not trying to be mean. But you know, it sounds so rediculous to me. These are not facts. These are just people measuring temperature and seeing a slight overall increase.
Science however works like this: You repeat the same experiment over and over again and it has to produce exactly the same result for it to become a scientific fact.
The flaw of the global warming theory is mainly this: the proponents compare data within the last 50 - 100 years. What is a hundred years for the earth? It's a drop in a bucket. You can't make a fact out of some ambiguous research. It will take several centuries for scientists to prove that the earth is actually warming up. Colorado's coldest spring and summer points to the opposite.
Any self-respecting scientist will never sign up under the GW theory. Only the ACLU type. |
Buddy. Don't be silly. Global warming is a proven fact. The only thing open for possible debate, is if it is human caused, or a natural cycle of the planet. The Netherlands have kept the longest weather records of any country, ( since 1845) and Global warming is a fact. Don't be a dumb blond, Paris, and read a little between parties.  |
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kolobed
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 9:28 pm Post subject: |
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| Markus wrote: |
I am not trying to be mean. But you know, it sounds so rediculous to me. These are not facts. These are just people measuring temperature and seeing a slight overall increase.
Science however works like this: You repeat the same experiment over and over again and it has to produce exactly the same result for it to become a scientific fact.
The flaw of the global warming theory is mainly this: the proponents compare data within the last 50 - 100 years. What is a hundred years for the earth? It's a drop in a bucket. You can't make a fact out of some ambiguous research. It will take several centuries for scientists to prove that the earth is actually warming up. Colorado's coldest spring and summer points to the opposite.
Any self-respecting scientist will never sign up under the GW theory. Only the ACLU type. |
global warming is a term used to describe a conclusion that there has been a change in earth's average temperature derived from factual data. i believe that makes it a fact.
i think that you are confused. there is no longer a debate whether or not the surface of the earth has warmed up significantly in the last century. the only people that believe otherwise are either misinformed (such as yourself) or those with hidden agendas (such as the petroleum douches). the real debate is centered around what exactly causes this phenomenon and whether or not it will have a negative effect on the ecological state of our planet.
the "theory" that you are talking about is that the greenhouse effect is the main contributor to global warming. THAT you can argue all you want. however, since you can't even decipher between 'global warming' and 'greenhouse effect', your argument will probably be quite ludicrous. not to be mean or anything.
look, the data is out there. there is no question about it, our planet is changing already right before our eyes. if you'd like, i can post some links, but i am afraid that you will immediately discount them, claiming it is not "factual" observations.
if you want to perform an experiment, you can do so right in your own home. all you need is a confined area and an internal-combustion engine of sorts. a car in a garage will do. close all the doors and run the car for a couple of hours. see what happens. |
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surfguy
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| mister_wizzz wrote: | | surfguy wrote: | | the average american works just over 6 months a year to pay taxes...which go to support the world...we pay 60% of the UN's budget...what's that about? |
It is unblievable the number of lies you say...
Finally BCBUD is probably right about you.
The contribution of the US in the UN budget is 22%. |
Misterwizz...we give 22% of the general UN Fund...and we provide free of charge the real estate that the UN uses...subsidized by the US tax payers.
here's the facts buddy: http://www.state.gov/r/pa/ei/rls/24236.htm
| Quote: | Total U.S. Contributions to the UN System,
Both Assessed and Voluntary -
Estimated at $3.0 Billion
Humanitarian/Human Rights - 39%
Environment - 2%
Development - 8%
Weapons of Mass Destruction - 3%
UN Regular Budget - 9%
UN Peacekeeping - 31%
Open Markets - 4%
Health - 4%
*Figures are based on FY 2002, excluding U.S. arrears payment.
Percentages reflect how U.S. dollars are divided within the UN system |
| Quote: | | The United States is the largest financial contributor to the UN and has been every year since its creation in 1945. We provided more than $3 billion in contributions, both cash and in-kind, to the UN system in 2002. (In-kind contributions include items such as food donations for the World Food Program). The United States funded 22 percent of the UN regular budget, as well as more than 27 percent of the peacekeeping budget. Additionally, the United States provides a significant amount in voluntary contributions to the UN and UN-affiliated organizations and activities, mostly for humanitarian and development programs. |
| Quote: | The United States is a generous supporter of key UN programs, funding:
51.4% of the World Food Program budget to help feed 72 million people in 82 countries.*
17.1% of the United Nations Children’s Fund budget to feed, vaccinate, educate and protect children in 162 countries.*
14.1% of the United Nations Development Program core budget to eradicate poverty and encourage democratic governance.*
25.8% of the International Atomic Energy Agency budget to ensure safe and peaceful application of nuclear energy and prevent the illicit use of nuclear material for weapons.**
22% of the World Health Organization core budget as well as significant voluntary resources, helping to prevent and control epidemics and to improve standards of health.**
25% of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees budget to help protect refugees and facilitate their return home or re-settlement in another country.*
25% of the International Civil Aviation Organization budget to ensure safe, efficient and economical air travel.**
* These programs operate strictly on voluntary contributions.
** These programs operate on a combination of assessed and voluntary contributions. |
Now then this is what our Government gives...but let's take into account the personal contributions from individual citizens...to programs like UNICEF...sorry Misterwizz and everyone else the UNITED STATES CITIZENS PAY THE BULK OF THE UN's BUDGET and and yes that equates to more than 50% as I said above we house the UN in our country free of charge!
OK Fire G....a weak US Dollar equates to a strong economy...forces other countries to buy US products, Real Estate and natural resources. Rearch has always shown this. And btw the jobs are there for those who want to work...just because you have a special skill or a college degree in a certain area doesn't mean there is that type of job...but there are jobs out there...obviously so if we have all these illegals coming up here to work...must be jobs |
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Markus
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You should both join the ACLU - they need faithful soldiers like you.
...scientists also point out that nature produces far more greenhouse gases than we do. For example, when the Mount Pinatubo volcano erupted, within just a few hours it had thrown into the atmosphere 30 million tonnes of sulphur dioxide— almost twice as much as all the factories, power plants and cars in the United States do in a whole year. Oceans emit 90 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide, the main greenhouse gas, every year. Decaying plants throw up another 90 billion tonnes, compared to just six billion tonnes a year from humans.
What's more, 100 million years ago, there was six times as much carbon dioxide in the atmosphere as there is now, yet the temperature then was marginally cooler than it is today. Many scientists have concluded that carbon dioxide doesn't even affect climate. |
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Markus
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| kolobed wrote: | | the "theory" that you are talking about is that the greenhouse effect is the main contributor to global warming. |
They are both myths. Made up the liberal scientists to prove nothing. Just 50-70 years ago the same scientists were trying to prove the opposite - that we would enter a glacier period rather soon. Remember reading those articles kolobed? |
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Markus
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Buddy. Don't be silly. Global warming is a proven fact. |
Yeah, just as much a proven fact as that all canadians are martians. |
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surfguy
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| mister_wizzz wrote: | | surfguy wrote: | | the average american works just over 6 months a year to pay taxes...which go to support the world...we pay 60% of the UN's budget...what's that about? |
It is unblievable the number of lies you say...
Finally BCBUD is probably right about you.
The contribution of the US in the UN budget is 22%. |
OK let's break down the US taxes:
property tax 1.5% or higher
federal income tax 33% to 45%
state income tax
sales tax (Ca 7.75%)
county taxes
gasoline tax
luxury tax (restraunts, airlines, etc)
Death tax (40%) on money that has already been taxed
Workman's comp insurance...not a tax so to speak...but hurts business owners
And then there are numerous other taxes that we pay...so all said and done...yes the US tax payer works more than 6 months out of the year...to pay taxes.
If you do not pay your taxes then no big deal you can't relate doesn't apply to you
this is the reality...put some thought into it and it doesn't take a lot of research...it's ok to hate America and people don't have to live here. I am all for with holding all aid to the United Nations and kicking them out of my country...I am tired of my taxes going to support them and thier corrupt leaders.
%51 of the food program is close enough to 60% for my disliking
Oil for Food program...billions wasted to line the pockets of Kofi Annan and his cronies...Chirac, Sadaam, etc. etc. can't blame it on Bush either....he wasn't president then. |
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surfguy
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Markus wrote: | | yorbcbud wrote: |
Buddy. Don't be silly. Global warming is a proven fact. |
Yeah, just as much a proven fact as that all canadians are martians. |
global warming is a joke! 30 years ago scientists were saying we were headed for another ice age...moscow last year had one of the coldest winters on record. This year the US had a very cold winter. Now the earth is also closer to the sun then it has been and this is a possible theory. These same global weenies also believe that oil is fossil fuel and limited...what a joke! Nope I'm with you Markus, Vitals, whoever you are...I don't buy it. And one of the top scientist in russia on the subject came out last week claiming it to not be true. Also top scientists in Japan have proven it to be a joke.
But all this said we as individuals can do our part to conserve and minimize waste and pollutions...This I agree with. Regardless of whether it exists or not...we still need to do what we can to protect our planet. |
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surfguy
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| yorbcbud wrote: | | Markus wrote: |
I am not trying to be mean. But you know, it sounds so rediculous to me. These are not facts. These are just people measuring temperature and seeing a slight overall increase.
Science however works like this: You repeat the same experiment over and over again and it has to produce exactly the same result for it to become a scientific fact.
The flaw of the global warming theory is mainly this: the proponents compare data within the last 50 - 100 years. What is a hundred years for the earth? It's a drop in a bucket. You can't make a fact out of some ambiguous research. It will take several centuries for scientists to prove that the earth is actually warming up. Colorado's coldest spring and summer points to the opposite.
Any self-respecting scientist will never sign up under the GW theory. Only the ACLU type. |
Buddy. Don't be silly. Global warming is a proven fact. The only thing open for possible debate, is if it is human caused, or a natural cycle of the planet. The Netherlands have kept the longest weather records of any country, ( since 1845) and Global warming is a fact. Don't be a dumb blond, Paris, and read a little between parties. |
160 years is not sufficient data keeping when the earth is billions of years old |
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Generation-P
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| Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2007 10:47 pm Post subject: |
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| surfguy wrote: | | Markus wrote: | | yorbcbud wrote: |
Buddy. Don't be silly. Global warming is a proven fact. |
Yeah, just as much a proven fact as that all canadians are martians. |
global warming is a joke! 30 years ago scientists were saying we were headed for another ice age...moscow last year had one of the coldest winters on record. This year the US had a very cold winter. Now the earth is also closer to the sun then it has been and this is a possible theory. These same global weenies also believe that oil is fossil fuel and limited...what a joke! Nope I'm with you Markus, Vitals, whoever you are...I don't buy it. And one of the top scientist in russia on the subject came out last week claiming it to not be true. Also top scientists in Japan have proven it to be a joke.
But all this said we as individuals can do our part to conserve and minimize waste and pollutions...This I agree with. Regardless of whether it exists or not...we still need to do what we can to protect our planet. |
Global warming is true, where I live this year has been too warm, we had nearly no snow at all during the winter and now we have had 27 celsius in June, that is far too warm for this country.. our fauna and flora is vanishing, and certain flowers might be gone for good, because of the warmth, which is killing bees and mosquitos used to live with flowers. It might seem small, but when one part of the ecosystem collapses it has certain consequences to other parts of the system and bit by bit when every part is crashing down our ecosystem is in ruins.
Also the polar ice is melting down, this year there is less ice, which results in growing number of salt water when at the same time drinking water is wasted in wealthy countries. |
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Fire_Goddess
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| Markus wrote: | | You libs are funny. At first you wanted the illegals in: "In the name of diversity" - you said. "We must be tolerant" - you chimed in. "We love everybody" - you smiled so innocently when you said that. |
First of all I am not a lib, second of all in my almost 26 years of life, I have never been givin a choice as to whether or not I wanted illegals here. We dont need illegals in order to have diversity, thats what our LEGAL immigration system is for!!!!!! |
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Fire_Goddess
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| Posted: Wed Jun 13, 2007 12:03 am Post subject: |
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| Now since the rest of you are arguing about the existence of global warming, I will exit the conversation as I have no desire to beat such a dead horse. (and YES global warming is REAL). |
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surfguy
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| Fire_Goddess wrote: | | Markus wrote: | | You libs are funny. At first you wanted the illegals in: "In the name of diversity" - you said. "We must be tolerant" - you chimed in. "We love everybody" - you smiled so innocently when you said that. |
First of all I am not a lib, second of all in my almost 26 years of life, I have never been givin a choice as to whether or not I wanted illegals here. We dont need illegals in order to have diversity, thats what our LEGAL immigration system is for!!!!!! |
yes bring in the legals get rid of the illegals |
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