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Racer
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Sorry to make my second post on a bit of a serious subject, but...
A good friend of mine married a terrific Russian gal several years ago, and after prodding around on me for ages finally talked me into dating one of her recently divorced Russian friends. It was a wonderful 10 months that really broadened my horizons—and that's saying something for me. It ended horribly, of course...I fell in love and she was going through a mid-life crisis. I won't bore you with the details, but I came out of it very impressed with the qualities of the Russian women I have met, and I plan on dating more from that community.
Which brings me to my question. I am 43, a single father raising a 9 year old girl. It seems I may be getting back into the dating scene, but I already have a great kid, haven't figured out how to stop aging (and know how much work and dedication it takes to raise a child right), so it looks like I am nearing the end of my window for having another child. But many of the Russian girls visiting my area (mid-America) tend to be relatively young and childless. Which brings me to my question. How do Russian women, especially those who might tend to emigrate, feel about having kids of their own? The few I know seem to have children fairly late in life or not at all, and the Russian birth rate is reportedly very low, but I didn't know if this was because of the economic problems of the last decade or if having children was just not very important to Russian women. I've even been giving very serious thought to having a vasectomy to avoid pregnancy issues discussed on other threads, but I'd hate to find out later that somehow this was a deal-killer to Russians. I know it's hard to generalize on something like this, but I'd sure appreciate your thoughts on the issue. |
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surfguy
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| what are you kidding me? Dude get a grip! Why don't you first find the woman and then decide. Or find a woman your own age...typical American who wants the looks of the young girl...knows he can't get it here...thinks he can prey on a young and naive foriegn girl (russian) so that he can have some ass. Pathetic...and if I am sounding harsh...I am because it's a lame idiot like this guy...extremely self centered and selfish and all women should beware! You fell in love...she saw you for who you are and kicked you to the curb...well good for her. This site is a travel site...I suggest you go to elena's models or what ever that site is for the answers to your question....oh and word it just like you did here |
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krasatulya
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| surfguy wrote: | | what are you kidding me? Dude get a grip! Why don't you first find the woman and then decide. Or find a woman your own age...typical American who wants the looks of the young girl...knows he can't get it here...thinks he can prey on a young and naive foriegn girl (russian) so that he can have some ass. Pathetic...and if I am sounding harsh...I am because it's a lame idiot like this guy...extremely self centered and selfish and all women should beware! You fell in love...she saw you for who you are and kicked you to the curb...well good for her. This site is a travel site...I suggest you go to elena's models or what ever that site is for the answers to your question....oh and word it just like you did here |
Well, he didn't specify that the woman he dated was a young lady, he said that she had been divorced alreay, so perhaps she was someone his age. He also mentions that he has observed women having children later, so it might be unfair to assume he's trying to get a girl just out of college.
Racer- I would not have the surgery done now. Why not wait until you find that right woman, discuss the future and if it holds more children, and then go ahead with it. Although I have heard they can be reversable, it would be a waste to go through all of that when you don't know what the future holds. |
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Fire_Goddess
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Well he is from the Ozarks.   |
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surfguy
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| Quote: | | But many of the Russian girls visiting my area (mid-America) tend to be relatively young and childless. Which brings me to my question. |
...this says what he wants
he did say that the woman he dated was going through a midlife crisis...this implies that he doesn't want that...who does...so he wants younger...why because he sees that they are available there.
Yes I was a bit harsh...but to get my point across and to make people think. Hey good luck to him and I'm sure there is a women out there for him. If he is from the Ozarks...why not get a girl from there |
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krasatulya
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I fully agree with you, Surf. In fact, I never could quite figure out why people get it in their heads that they desperately want to be with a person from a specific culture or country...it doesn't make sense. As was the case with you, I happened to meet my husband by chance and did not seek him out based on certain specifications.
Ah well, to each his own, but by setting up certain expectations, one is bound to be disappointed. |
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Racer
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Well, hell there, Backwash, if I wanted me a fine piece of fresh young ass I'd just go out and fetch me one by the hair an' drag 'er back t'my cabin in the holler, cuz that what us hicks do. Figgered you educated fellers wud no that! Don't need no goddamn commie fer that!
Sure appreciate your thoughtful and well-considered responses--amazing, it was as if you'd known me all our lives. I suppose I got so self-centered by dedicating the last nine years of my life to raising a daughter and having no social life. I realize I should head strait for a monestary, but sadly there aren't any locally. I said I would enjoy dating a Russian again, because I found the traits and culture fascinating and enjoyable--go figure that I would bring that up on a, well, RUSSIAN DISCUSSION BOARD! What was I thinking? Pardon me for enjoying spice and learning about other cultures. I'll try to be more Anglo-centric in the future.
I had mentioned that many of the Russian ladies tend to be younger (twenties and early thirties) as an observation, I wasn't placing an order. Unlike Washed-up, who apparently let his own "issues" cause him to jump to conclusions (I suspect Freud and Jung could help you out there a bit, bud), I have found all of the members of the local Russian community to be very friendly and gregarious and fun, young and old alike. I always enjoy myself (but of course I self-flagilate later as contrition for my shameless happiness).
Although I try diligently to focus only upon myself, on a dare I decided to try to find out the answer to a simple question; i.e., Would a Russian woman be culturally predisposed to feel bad about her self or her life if she did not give birth? It's not that I am fixated on a future with women of any particular sort--you know me, from way back you always did say I just wanted to lay all them 'ho's--but it might help me avoid getting myself or a woman in any situations that might be unhappy or unsatisfying if I knew if there was some giant cultural stigma or something. I simply don't know that aspect of Russian culture, and thought someone here might be able to enlighten me a bit. Well, me and Seaweed, because obviously he doesn't have a clue, either, which might explain some of his pent-up frustrations. If no one else knows or has an opinion, it's okay to just say so. And Flotsam, I'd sure appreciate it if you could forward me those web addresses for the places you buy all your women. |
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krasatulya
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| No, there is no cultural stimga or anything of the like regarding Russian women being predisposed to not wanting children, or anything like that. I would tend to say that most Russian women (and women in general) want children, but most want to bring them into an environment where they can adequately provide for them. |
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Fire_Goddess
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| Racer wrote: | | Well, hell there, Backwash, if I wanted me a fine piece of fresh young ass I'd just go out and fetch me one by the hair an' drag 'er back t'my cabin in the holler, cuz that what us hicks do. Figgered you educated fellers wud no that! Don't need no goddamn commie fer that! |
So you want a woman who doesnt want kids, but will suddenly want your kid around? She will have to accept your kid, but she should not want one of her own? You need to hook up with other single parents if you dont want more kids.  |
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Fire_Goddess
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| Racer wrote: | | you know me, from way back you always did say I just wanted to lay all them 'ho's I'd sure appreciate it if you could forward me those web addresses for the places you buy all your women. |
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jo-jo-7
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| Fire_Goddess wrote: | | Racer wrote: | | you know me, from way back you always did say I just wanted to lay all them 'ho's I'd sure appreciate it if you could forward me those web addresses for the places you buy all your women. |
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Gawd, he has to be a single man because I cannot see a women in her right mind laying in bed with guy....  |
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surfguy
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| Fire_Goddess wrote: | | Racer wrote: | | Well, hell there, Backwash, if I wanted me a fine piece of fresh young ass I'd just go out and fetch me one by the hair an' drag 'er back t'my cabin in the holler, cuz that what us hicks do. Figgered you educated fellers wud no that! Don't need no goddamn commie fer that! |
So you want a woman who doesnt want kids, but will suddenly want your kid around? She will have to accept your kid, but she should not want one of her own? You need to hook up with other single parents if you dont want more kids. |
well good point fire g...and racer's response just proved or responses...we only know him by what he posts and well he raised the question |
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yorbcbud
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| Racer wrote: | Well, hell there, Backwash, if I wanted me a fine piece of fresh young ass I'd just go out and fetch me one by the hair an' drag 'er back t'my cabin in the holler, cuz that what us hicks do. Figgered you educated fellers wud no that! Don't need no goddamn commie fer that!
Sure appreciate your thoughtful and well-considered responses--amazing, it was as if you'd known me all our lives. I suppose I got so self-centered by dedicating the last nine years of my life to raising a daughter and having no social life. I realize I should head strait for a monestary, but sadly there aren't any locally. I said I would enjoy dating a Russian again, because I found the traits and culture fascinating and enjoyable--go figure that I would bring that up on a, well, RUSSIAN DISCUSSION BOARD! What was I thinking? Pardon me for enjoying spice and learning about other cultures. I'll try to be more Anglo-centric in the future.
I had mentioned that many of the Russian ladies tend to be younger (twenties and early thirties) as an observation, I wasn't placing an order. Unlike Washed-up, who apparently let his own "issues" cause him to jump to conclusions (I suspect Freud and Jung could help you out there a bit, bud), I have found all of the members of the local Russian community to be very friendly and gregarious and fun, young and old alike. I always enjoy myself (but of course I self-flagilate later as contrition for my shameless happiness).
Although I try diligently to focus only upon myself, on a dare I decided to try to find out the answer to a simple question; i.e., Would a Russian woman be culturally predisposed to feel bad about her self or her life if she did not give birth? It's not that I am fixated on a future with women of any particular sort--you know me, from way back you always did say I just wanted to lay all them 'ho's--but it might help me avoid getting myself or a woman in any situations that might be unhappy or unsatisfying if I knew if there was some giant cultural stigma or something. I simply don't know that aspect of Russian culture, and thought someone here might be able to enlighten me a bit. Well, me and Seaweed, because obviously he doesn't have a clue, either, which might explain some of his pent-up frustrations. If no one else knows or has an opinion, it's okay to just say so. And Flotsam, I'd sure appreciate it if you could forward me those web addresses for the places you buy all your women. |
I love this response. I dun be onna them thar bush peeples, an ah thinks that yoo shud call Surfguy jetsom, aint no flots wurth a coon's arse on that boy. U have to understand, he's God's gift to mankind, so he git's to say what we all need, er don't need.
Seriously, though. I have talked with a lot of Russian girls, and I would say that 80 % of them want to have a child by the time they are 25, or no more than 30. But that's an urge that strikes a lot of women, Russian, or otherwise. But it's the relationship between you, and the woman, as a person to person thing that dictates everything. My policy is to never lie about anything, and most problems work themselves out. If you think you should get snipped, then I say do it, you'll still find that there are women who won't care. And you can always adopt kids. There are so many that need good homes, you'd have your pick. IMHO |
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vox16
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| Racer wrote: | Well, hell there, Backwash, if I wanted me a fine piece of fresh young ass I'd just go out and fetch me one by the hair an' drag 'er back t'my cabin in the holler, cuz that what us hicks do. Figgered you educated fellers wud no that! Don't need no goddamn commie fer that!
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i Could not parse phoneticspeak at all.  Maybe some native speakers. May be... |
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vox16
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demoscope.ru. A lot of such stuff, if you know how to search,
"В когорте женщин 40-44 года, чьи репродуктивные установки на момент обследования уже были практически полностью реализованы, в странах Восточной Европы и Балтии три четверти женщин родили первого ребенка примерно к 25 годам,"
In women group of age40-44 that fulfilled their reproduction plans, in Eastern Europe and Baltic countries, 3/4 of them gave birth to their first child (averaged ) in 25 years ( 29-30 years in W, S ad N Europe ). I.e. 30 eyars and no children - odd are that there will be no children in future. However, this survey does not take into account how all this stuff correlate with women that a more likely to marry abroad ( I guess that '25' number tends to grow in that group)
And - about public opinion re age of first childbrth
http://www.demoscope.ru/weekly/2007/0287/analit04.php |
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