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Crabman · Posted: Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:46 pm Post subject:

Errrr...a couple of misplaced posts there, surfguy? Perhaps not, I guess they have as much to do with Putin as helicopters.

I know others have commented on this, but reading comprehension isn't one of your strengths, is it?

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RusskiCanadian23 · Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:07 am Post subject:

Well, Putin is not going to let US of A push him around. You see, Russia is not Iraq. Russia is fully capable of defending itself from any attack, and is also financially stable ta the moment, thanks to its huge supplies of oil, nat. gas, coal, and other minerals, diamonds, gold, platinum, and other precious metals. So, if Russia is not affraid of anybody today, well, it has a right not to be. And that should concern you, Surfguy, because if you look closely, you will find that today, we have a resurgent, increasingly powerful Russia, already a regional Superpower in Eastern Europe and Central Asia; growing Asian Superpowers, China, and India, who each have a population over a billion people, large armed forces, and substantual nuclear arsenals. You have Iran, a growing Islamic Superpower, that will have over 100 million people by 2025, and is working toward acquiring a nuclear arsenal. You have Pakistan, an Islamic state, a big power in its region, with a nuclear power, which a has a long history of cooperating with the Taliban in Afghanistan, and where hard-line Islamists are threatening to take power (Bush's nightmare, an Islamist State with a nuclear arsenal Laughing

). And there's Turkey, which, right now, as far as I am concerned has the best armed forces, and is the most powerful nation in the Middle East. And in South America, Brazil is becoming the leading Power. It also aims (secretly) to get it's hands on a nuclear bomb, and already has armed itself pretty good. And it's population is already over 200, 000, 000 people. The US and Western Europe are slowly but surely loosing their dominance, their grip in the world. The balance of power is shifting from the West, to the East and South. You in the West are not the only big guys around the globe any more. There are guys, these days, in the East and South, who are just as big as you, possibly bigger, and they ain't gonna let you tell them what to do! And I don't honestly know, what the US, and the EU are going to do about that... I mean, the US is definately not looking too good these days: our Canadian dollar is worth more, then the American one, for God's sake!
And Europe: shrinking, ageing population... Internal squabbles... Oh, boy... I would love too see what world will look like in 20 years after this day! Laughing

yorbcbud · Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:38 am Post subject:

surfguy · Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979

Hey Ruskkii...why do you always make this a West vs Russia deal...get over it! My post have not been anti Putin or Russia. By the way...most of Russia's monetary assetts are sitting in Western Banks. The Largest importer of Foriegn goods is now the EU...then 2nd is the USA...so all we have to do is stop buying and the world economy folds. Ok Also Like Russia...all a country has to do is to put sanctions against a country...what that means is all assets are frozen...meaning all the money just invested in the USA...guess what they then become assetts once again of the USA. Russia has a shrinking population...and you know what that means...big problems by 2050...when it is estimated that Russia will be mostly muslim. So let's not over react---big problems are every where in the world. Just like the russian owned futball team in the UK...what is it Chelsea...well if the UK wanted it back...they could just take it away...and legally too. Messed up...but it's the way the world works.

surfguy · Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979

Yes I think Putin is a strong leader...and an effective one. Bush is gone in a year...so people need to look at the US agenda...not our individual presidents. Remember...Clinton wanted Regime change in Iraq and also went after the WMD. Our Presidents all...work towards the same US agenda...its our domestic issues where they differ. Which btw should be dealt with at the state levels.

yorbcbud · Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 7:59 am Post subject:

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well it will be interesting to see what unfolds...be glad Bush isn't doing what Putin is...otherwise you could see him for a lot longer. Also do not forget...that Cheney and Baker worked for Bush Sr too. We need a change that is for sure...but Iraq will come around. Let's not forget...we have our military there when before we did not. Some of our Air bases there are the largest in the world! My point is that when it comes to our foriegn Policies...the US Presidents work towards the same goals. Too...so much corruption goes on on both sides...and it so far has been Diane Feinstein who has profited the most off of this war...over $800 million...sickening for sure! Anyways...Bush will be gone and then we will see what happens. Hillary may not win...and if she doesn't then that is just a huge slap to the Dems...they will be finished. Personally I think all the candidates suck...dem and Rep...and I wished we had a firm leader like Putin. As I've always said if the world hates the us...then stop coming here and stop taking our generosity...use your own dam currencies...fund your own problems...for real it doesn't matter to me what the world thinks...fact is we have not had one terrorist action against us or our embassies since 9-11...I wonder why?

RusskiCanadian23 · Posted: Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:59 am Post subject:

International problems can not be solved with force, Surfey. Putin said that, and he was right. You say: "Iraq will come around". My friend, over 3,000 of your American soldiers have died there already, it is turning into a Second Vietnam, and I don't see it "coming around". The USSR had enough sense to pull out of Afghan in time. If you, Americans, are going to follow our Soviet example in everything, that has to do with international policies, then follow this one to. Believe me, Iraq was MUCH better before you, Americans, went in. It was a dictatorship, yes. But at least Saddam kept ORDER in the country. No one blew each other up in the streets. No one shot each other. The Sunnies, Shiits, and Kurds, all lived together under one roof, called Iraq, and those that made trouble, and caused DISORDER, were simply eliminated. Stalin did the same thing. The Kulaks made trouble, he purged the Kulaks, factory owners made trouble, Stalin made it so that there were no more factory owners... He was really a brilliant man... A ruthless son of a bitch, but a brilliant genius of a man. And Slobodan Milosevic. This was a hero, who died defending his people, the Serbs from Albano-Croato-Bosnian-NATO conducted Holocaust! And his Army, Narodna Arm'a Srpska, stood by his side 'till the end!

And why, do you think, I believe Russia is against the US right now? Simple. You see, back in the 90s, when you stomped, kicked, and spat on us in every way, while we were down, including "electing" us a scum alcoholic moron for a President, and instaling an Oligarch mafia regime to rule our country, this was a time when Russia was on its knees, its head bent over downward in shame. Never before. Never again will this happen, I assure you. Well, while this happened, all you did was laugh at our face. Entertain yourself at the expense of our misery. You think Russians don't remember men from America coming to Moscow to buy our women. To fool around with girls as young as 13 or even 12! Hell, some perverts, I hear, even wanted to get boys! You think we don't remember how, while Russia was scrambling whatever money it had left to feed its people, foreign banks were sucking the life out of its body, to get the loans back that ALL of USSR, not just Russia had owed! (Ukraine, the Baltic States, Georgia, NEVER PAID A DIME!) You attacked, and massacred our Serbian brothers, because you knew we were POWERLESS to protect them! You supplied terrorists in Chechnya with weapons, money, provisions, and medicine!

RUSSIA REMEMBERS ALL, Surfey. And now, when Russia is back on its feet, and stands tall and oroud once again, it will remember all of those shameful things. EVERY INSULT. EVERY HUMILIATION. EVERY SINGLE PUT DOWN, THAT RUSSIA HAD TO ENDURE AT THE HANDS OF THE US of A AND NATO! ALL WILL BE REMEMBERED. NOTHING IS FORGOTTEN.

surfguy · Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979

Whoa...easy there turbo...weren't the Oligarchs all russian? Seriously stop blaming the USA for the ills of your society. As for me I already stated I personally am against the war in Serbia. That was a Clinton deal. Also Iraq is no where nearly like Vietnam. Fact is Ruskii if you watch the news...Al queda has been defeated there and has been forced to leave. Baghdad is a bustling city and the numbers of incidents are a fraction of what they once were. And do not forget...Russia stands to make huge profits off of Iraq...Putin himself said the US needs to be in there until it stabilizes. Not one of the US presidential candidates are saying we are going to pull out. That they are going to pull us out. Fact is we are there for many years to come. And Russia is set to share in the oil and gas reserves that are there. Putin is a closer ally to the west then what is on the surface. The fact is the world economy and our national economies are all based on trade...take away one major trade partner and everyone suffers. Be glad that the dollar is weak right now...it allows for foriegn economies to grow. Which right now is what is needed throughout the world. Especially for Russia. As far as American men going to Russia for women...yep i don't disagree...I would be pissed too if I was russian. Sex tours etc...marriage agencies etc...I think they are all a joke! Not my thing that's for sure. Anyways...be glad you are in Canada...I'm sure you live a better life there economically than you did in Russia...especially from the city you are from. I watched a documentary on it last week. It was made a year ago and I have to say...the aids rate, the drug and alcohol buse...the prostitution...I wouldn't want to live there. Of course I am only going off of the documentary. But still....whoa...very disturbing! And as I said I can only hope that Putin gets things under control!

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