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nikir Frequent Guest Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Posts: 54	Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:49 am    Post subject: RusskiCanadian23 wrote: Gee, really? Under Stalin, in 1947, two years after The War, the country has recovered its production levels of 1941, and by 1953, industrial production surpassed 1941 levels by 32%! Yeah, we were moving downhill alright! Think before you type, nikir. Russki most countries experienced an economic boom following WWII. There was a lot of rebuilding in some and others boomed because they were mining, manufacturing and exporting to facilitate the rebuilding. That is not what I am talking about. I was commenting on the earlier remark about a brilliant country with a history of dreadful government. Let me draw you a comparison, lets look at the socio economic situation from 1953 onwards for example. We’ll compare my history and yours. In that year my parents had been in Australia for three and a bit years, had worked off their two year bond to the government to fulfill the conditions of their repatriation, were expecting their third child, my mum was working in her chosen profession of teaching and my dad was blitzing his way through his medical degree. They had bought their first house, and had a car (albeit just one between them then). Where was the average Russian at during the last year of Stalin? From what I have learned by speaking to people who were around in those days, if you were favoured by the party and had the right connections you might get an apartment of one or two rooms rather than living in a dingy komunalka and sharing amenities with strangers. You worked your guts out in the factories or on the collectives, got enough to live on and a holiday once a year. If you were not in favour the best you could hope for was keeping your place in the komunalka, the other scenarios included being declared an enemy of the state or being sent off to some far flung republic to again work your guts out in another factory or on another collective. Let's jump forward to 1969 the year I was born. My parents had successful careers, a large comfortable house, another one on the beach and new cars each every couple of years. The elder of their children were at university or high school, they could also travel overseas when they wanted to. Where was the Soviet citizen? Still working in dingy factories and on collective farms, still living in the same appalling conditions, getting their "free" education, medical treatment and holiday. What improved over all those years? Since the fall of communism they can at least have something to call their own and leave to their descendants. Again my post was more about socio economics and personal achievement not about the wealth or military might of the country. That is worthless if the citizens do not get the benefit and rewards of their endeavours. Russia is doing a turnaround but at the moment it is a bit like a plodding elephant, too much old thinking. It will be some time yet before that mindset changes
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MrSpice Lounge Wizard Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 3431	Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:13 pm    Post subject: nikir - very nice post; I agree with you
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:36 pm    Post subject: Yes well said Nikir...and to think people all voted today in russia and the Majority supports....UNITED RUSSIA
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nikir Frequent Guest Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Posts: 54	Posted: Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:07 pm    Post subject: MrSpice wrote: nikir - very nice post; I agree with you Thanks Spice! Russki will never take his blinkers off. I might convince him to lift them up a couple of cm's and peer out cautiously at 2008 though.
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darthvader WayToRussified Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Posts: 427	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:18 am    Post subject: I don't think BS will ever take his blinkers off either. BS, some of your points here (like in other threads) indicate that you're delusional about certain issues. Why not leave your "happy comrade" blogosphere and travel to Russia? Then, come back and teach us something in this forum? Of course you will enjoy yourself there (experiencing the sites, experiencing the culture). Just don't participate in any Slavic Union rallies or try selling GPS equipment on the Moscow streets. Expat knows what she is talking about. She lives there and you don't. She also has a foreigner's perspective. I suggest you take note of what she is saying. I do, plus from others in the know here. BS, for all Russia's good points (which there are a great many!), you are ridiculously adoring of all Kremlin propaganda from the Soviet times up until now, and too engaged in how naughty the USA has been over the last 60+ years. So, why not widen your research approach (using that rocket scientist brain of yours), so you don't just sound like Stalin's long lost media advisor? ........Nice story, Nikir! Australia (and USA, Canada, etc) certainly was a land of opportunity for many war-weary people post-WW2. At least it was for my eatsern European grandparents who fled the advancing Red Army in 1944. Last edited by darthvader on Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:24 pm; edited 1 time in total
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RusskiCanadian23 Lounge Wizard Joined: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 1104 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada/Ванкувер, Британская Колумбия, Канада	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:55 am    Post subject: Quote: large comfortable house, another one on the beach and new cars each every couple of years You had to didn't you. You had to put down my family because we were not rich, like you. Yes, before the Revolution, families like yours lived in palaces, with servants tending to their every wish, while families like mine spent the winter in four wall izbas, 10 people ina room, at times, and 4 in a single bed! Yeah, be proud of that, you son of a bitch! Well, guess what, my family had something yours never will! My family had, and has HONOUR! Dignity! Self respect! My Great-grandfather, and my Greatfather, and my father, and myself, all served in the Soviet Army. My great-gandfather fought in the civil war. He fought agaisnt Petlura in Ukraine. He fought to the end. He didn't run away, like your ansestor, because he wasn't a fucking coward, like all of you! That is why you, bastards were overthrown in the Revolution! You robbed the Russian people of all they had, and then you ran away to Australia, Britain, wherever you could crawl away, from the wrath of the Bolsheviks, you did, you cowards! And people like me, and my family, hardworking folk, who did the all dirty work, who did ALL the work, actually, well, they didn't want to be your slaves anymore, so they rose up, they kicked your ass, threw you bloody bastards out of our country, and took charge! That is why you are so upset! Because you LOST! Because you got stomped into the mud! My grandfather, fought in WW2, was wounded, but survived. Received a Hero of the Soviet Union, for dragging his wounded superior officer off the battlefield, under heavy fire. Afterward, cleansed Ukraine of Banderivtzi for three years. What did yours do, sit in his house on the beach? Buy himself another car? My father served in the paratroopers, he fought in Afghan in the early period. No, our family didn't get a new car every year. Because we are not, and we were not, selfish pigs. My dad worked on a factory, he had a good job, got paid enough to raise me and my brother, and to, occasionaly take us all out to Sochi, Crimea, Bulgaria, Cazechslovakia, or the Baltic States. And we didn't ask for anything else. See, unlike you, I don't INDULGE myself, even if I do have a lot of money, which happens to me now that I live in Canada. I just spend it on something practical, like soap, or give it to a charity. So go ahead, nikir, yaeh, your family is richer then mine, so be an ass about it. I don't care. I am a man, unlike you. I have my pride. That's all I need. I don't need a fucking new car every year. You will convince me of nothing. I have no respect for you. None at all. Just stay on your house on the beach, in your new car that you bought this year. Indulge in your richness, while others starve! I don't give a shit! DO NOT EVER INSULT MY FAMILY AGAIN! EVER! YOU, WHITE GUARD PIG, ARE NOT WORTHY OF LICKING DIRT OFF THE BOOTS OF MY FATHER, OR MY UNCLE, OR EITHER OF MY GRANDFATHERS, OR MY GREAT-GRANDFATHERS, SO JUST SHUT THE FUCK UP! DO NOT EVER TALK TRASH ABOUT MY FAMILY, OR THE SOVIET PEOPLE IN GENERAL, EVER AGAIN! JUST HAVE SOME FUCKING RESPECT, YOU WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT! Last edited by RusskiCanadian23 on Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:29 pm; edited 1 time in total
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bswaminathan Lounge Lizard Joined: 09 Oct 2007 Posts: 164	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:13 pm    Post subject: Quote: large comfortable house, another one on the beach and new cars each every couple of years not only that russki, car for every year. a girl friend a day that too with many choices. selling cannabis & cocaine in streets to buy pizza. A news reader who will unclothe himself while reading news. kids have a trouble in expressing their surname because its a endless list and wives choosing their hubby in casino every night. their kids go to school with knives & gun instead of geometry box and packing their lunch box with drugs. we can't afford to this as we are not rich. and we don't have to ....... Quote: You had to put down my family because we were not rich, like you. who wants money if it is earned by pulling down others.
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:45 pm    Post subject: these last two posts are rediculous and utter non-sense!
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nikir Frequent Guest Joined: 17 Mar 2010 Posts: 54	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:45 pm    Post subject: Wow Russki, what can I say? Did you fall through a hole in the system and get triple the quota of brainwashing? No contemporary Russian I have met has views quite like that, not even through a haze of vodka. Again, I did not set out to insult anyone, but merely to draw a comparison between two individuals who came into this world under completely different social conditions. One stayed pretty much the same, while the others circumstances reflected the rewards for effort put into life by his forbears. It’s healthy to have differences of opinion, and be able to debate them, lets do it on an intelligent level though, and please do not hold me personally responsible for something that happened 50 years before I was born. It also all took place, some years before my parents were even thought of. BTW neither I or my family is rich by Australian standards. My ancestors in Russia were not rich either, although they did not live in izbas. Now BS, I don’t know what planet you are on, in whatever aeronautical marvel you have built with INDIAn technology at the present time? Would you please consider though, returning to Earth before you make your next post? Happy landing!
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mister_wizzz VIP Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 582	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:02 pm    Post subject: Nikir, Don't waste your time with this moron. It is obvious this guy has psychatric issues, he is completely paranoid. I don't know if it is due to the brain wash in his youth or the brain damages done by vodka, may be both
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RusskiCanadian23 Lounge Wizard Joined: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 1104 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada/Ванкувер, Британская Колумбия, Канада	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:38 pm    Post subject: surfguy wrote: these last two posts are rediculous and utter non-sense! Surfguy... Stop sucking up to nikir. Learn to make up your own mind, seriously.
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RusskiCanadian23 Lounge Wizard Joined: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 1104 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada/Ванкувер, Британская Колумбия, Канада	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:50 pm    Post subject: nikir, I hold you responcible for nothing. But I do not take back anything of what I said either. All that rubbish about how rich your family was, did insult me. Don't shove it in my face, how your family was so rich, they had two houses (any sane person only needs one???), and bought a car every year. If you thought that'd impress me, it didn't. It just pissed me off. It's not that I don't like all rich people. I just think that, if you are rich, put that money to good use. Not to buy a third house on the beach, or a twentieth car. Give to homeless funds, to charities, Salvation Army, for god's sake. Like what I did, recently. I had some $5,000 bucks just lying around, useless. So, I took those $5,000, and I sent them over to the Cancer Research charity. That's what I did, and I have no qualms about it. It made my neighbours respect me more too. They now see that I am not a selfish person that would hide all of his money in his mattras. I do share. A woman from below my floor, I could have sworn just last week, she hated my guts, but yesterday, we were in the elevator together, she smiled at me and shook my hand. She told me she had the cancer for the research of which I had donated. She said people like me give her hope. That made my day.
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darthvader WayToRussified Joined: 09 Dec 2005 Posts: 427	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:18 pm    Post subject: mister_wizzz wrote: Nikir, Don't waste your time with this moron. It is obvious this guy has psychatric issues, he is completely paranoid. I don't know if it is due to the brain wash in his youth or the brain damages done by vodka, may be both Since when was BS guzzling vodka? Oh well, onwards with the Russian business analysis.
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Crabman WayToRussified Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 401 Location: Middlesex	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:50 pm    Post subject: Just before midnight, Wednesday, Vancouver time: RusskiCanadian23 wrote: You had to didn't you. ... (most of text omitted) ... WORTHLESS PIECE OF ...! Thursday morning, Vancouver time: RusskiCanadian23 wrote: nikir, I hold you responcible for nothing ... (most of text omitted) ...made my day. About last night... Tied one on, did we?
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mister_wizzz VIP Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 582	Posted: Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:57 pm    Post subject: darthvader wrote: mister_wizzz wrote: Nikir, Don't waste your time with this moron. It is obvious this guy has psychatric issues, he is completely paranoid. I don't know if it is due to the brain wash in his youth or the brain damages done by vodka, may be both Since when was BS guzzling vodka? Oh well, onwards with the Russian business analysis. No I was talking about the alcohol addict paranoid moron in chief : Russki. BS is living on another planet but at least he's nice.
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