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bswaminathan
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 Posted: Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:32 pm Post subject: Business in russia - in rise |
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Russian business economy oversees lot of changes so far as lot of global giants are eying there presence strongly and directly.
Due to the weak ruble, general economics is badly affected, thanks to the russian currency ruble gaining well and so the buying capacity of the people also increasing. this is confirmed by recent announcements by global giants like Nokia, Mercedes benz, Hyundai & Microsoft
So far most their products are sold thru retailers or being imported, now these companies started their direct distribution center to decrease the cost and for better product inventories. Also the Federal Customs Service is strongly recommending all producers to do so.
now there is a big tie up between some elite INDIAn universities and Russian ones.
The International Association for the Evaluation of Educational Achievement has published the results of its latest study of reading level and text understanding among ten-year-olds in 45 regions of the world. Russian children were found to be the most highly literate.
Well! its happier to see russia is on the rise and i hope it will come up quick.... |
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overseas_expat
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Normally I wouldn't respond to a post that makes no sense--like this one. But I have a feeling you were trying to make a point that might be worthwhile.....whatever it is.
Couple of problems:
First you say "Due to the weak ruble....." and then "thanks to the russian currency ruble gaining well..." So which is it?
Then some kind of mumble about about a " a big tie up between some elite INDIAn universities and Russian ones."
Ending the message with kudos to Russian children for being so literate.
Exactly what are you trying to say here? Giving you a second chance. |
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surfguy
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| I agree...what is it that you are asking BS...or trying to convey? |
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bswaminathan
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| Quote: | | Normally I wouldn't respond to a post that makes no sense |
everything makes a sense only if you understand it properly.
for you i will clarify.
once the ruble is weak, then by govt efforts, it scored well. now its in rise and its continuing that.
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Then some kind of mumble about about a " a big tie up between some elite INDIAn universities and Russian ones." |
Indian universities signed a MOU with several global universities which includes US, UK & Russia. By that Russia gets benefited.
when you have good education then the corresponding generation will prosper well.
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Ending the message with kudos to Russian children for being so literate. |
read Russia's news paper 'kommersant' you will understand.
every paragraph is a separate news, these are some of the positive signs to show that Russia is progressing well.
Are you clear now? |
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surfguy
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| Well you say that the ruble is on the rise...but too so is inflation in Russia...so that negates the value of the ruble. It's one thing if the ruble can buy more...but that reality is that it cannot. Food in russia just saw a dramatic increase...so what you are suggesting is not necessarily true. The problem in russia is that so many goods are over priced...every thing from real estate to electronics...to as I mentioned food. And with the dollar devalued...that means less investment on the part of America. Which we are some of the biggest spenders...in terms of tourism. Tourism is a vital industry because it directly affects the small business owners world wide. So with out the American dollars being spent...then those who depend on tourism will suffer. We will especially see this next year. But here in the US the interest rates are about to drop again and money is very cheap right now...we will see another boom in real estate in the next couple of years as house become more affordable. In the USA our greates investment is home ownership. And with equity comes security and the extra funds to travel with etc. And this will create once again a rise in tourism. People want to go where they can get the most for thier money and feel the safest. And russia is still...well not an ideal place to visit for the average traveler. |
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overseas_expat
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| bswaminathan wrote: | | Quote: | | Normally I wouldn't respond to a post that makes no sense |
everything makes a sense only if you understand it properly.
for you i will clarify.
once the ruble is weak, then by govt efforts, it scored well. now its in rise and its continuing that.
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Then some kind of mumble about about a " a big tie up between some elite INDIAn universities and Russian ones." |
Indian universities signed a MOU with several global universities which includes US, UK & Russia. By that Russia gets benefited.
when you have good education then the corresponding generation will prosper well.
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Ending the message with kudos to Russian children for being so literate. |
read Russia's news paper 'kommersant' you will understand.
every paragraph is a separate news, these are some of the positive signs to show that Russia is progressing well.
Are you clear now? |
Super that you think Russia "is progressing well."
Literacy rates in Russia have been tremendous for the 20th century. Kudos to them.
The ruble is soaring because Russia is sitting on some of the world's largest deposits of gas and oil, the price of which rises by the day. Too bad the monthly income for the average Russian is rising naught. There were bread demonstrations in St. Petersburg a couple of weeks ago.
Bread. Can you envision bread demonstrations in London or New York or LA? What does this say about the plight of the common people and 'the progressing' that is happening?
.00001% of Russians are becoming filthy rich. The Russian government is awash in oil money. The health care system is a shambles. The average Moscow bus driver makes makes a better salary than a school teacher or a doctor or a university professor. The average Russian grows a large summer garden in order to have food for the winter.
Newspapers are full of macro-economic hogwash. The average Russian was better off 25 years ago than now. Rich Russians are substantially richer now. |
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overseas_expat
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P.S. There is no journalistic freedom in Russia. No matter what you read in "kommersant" you can be sure it is a message stamped and approved by the government or it would never have been printed. The government only allows to be printed that which shows Russia in a rosey glow.
Anybody who believes there is *journalism* in the Russian press is a fool. News in this country is what the Kremlin says it is. Dissenters are dealt with. |
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surfguy
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| yes so tomorrows elections then are a joke...because the people are totally manipulated then. Hmmm...well I pity the russian people then...not good. |
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overseas_expat
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You know it wouldn't be so bad, these rigged elections--not so terribly different from anywhere else really--if only somebody somewhere in the government actually cared about the people. Even just a little. Just a tiny bit they gave a $hit about the average Russian.
But none of them do. They just all want to get in on the gas and oil and mineral money and the power, and the rest of the country be dammed. Such a brilliant country with such a history of dreadful government. |
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gomer
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| overseas_expat wrote: | | The average Russian was better off 25 years ago than now. |
Soviet times were better for average Russian people than 'managed democracy' now?
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surfguy
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| Well this is what Ruskii was saying...Perhaps Putin wants to return Russia to that of 25 years ago. Regardless many over there are feeling the pain |
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nikir
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| overseas_expat wrote: | | Such a brilliant country with such a history of dreadful government. |
Centuries of feudalism and conflict have made the general populace complacent, unambitious and dependant. It is all the result of conditioning.
During the communist era they had a certain amount of security and a fairly low level of material comfort, but nothing at all to aspire to and no imprint to leave behind. Perhaps if Lenin stayed around things would have turned out differently, it certainly went downhill with Stalin.
The transition from communism was totally botched and instead of the government of the day supporting and guiding the changeover, it was everybody for themselves. A few in the right place at the right time certainly did very well out of that while the average citizen was left in the lurch, and indeed, in many cases, much worse off under democracy.
Nonetheless when I go to Russia every couple of years I do see a rise in comfort levels, security and morale. This may not be very obvious to someone who lives there. It will take at the very least though, another two generations before any real tangible change is evident. For every two steps forward they seem stumble back one. |
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surfguy
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| Finally Nikir you say something very worth while...answer us this...in your opinion do you think that Russia has enough time? And will it achieve what it needs to...with the agenda of Putin. I honestly have mixed views on Putin. On one hand I think he he is doing what is good for the benefit of Russia...and yet on the other I see some very disturbing actions by him. |
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RusskiCanadian23
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| overseas_expat wrote: | Normally I wouldn't respond to a post that makes no sense--like this one. But I have a feeling you were trying to make a point that might be worthwhile.....whatever it is.
Couple of problems:
First you say "Due to the weak ruble....." and then "thanks to the russian currency ruble gaining well..." So which is it?
Then some kind of mumble about about a " a big tie up between some elite INDIAn universities and Russian ones."
Ending the message with kudos to Russian children for being so literate.
Exactly what are you trying to say here? Giving you a second chance. |
Hey, give him a break! So, he doesn't speak English very well, it's not his fault! I couldn't tie two words together either, when I just came to Canada! Don't be a snob, Expat, because of your perfect English, please.
| Quote: | | The problem in russia is that so many goods are over priced...every thing from real estate to electronics...to as I mentioned food. |
That's very true. While Putin made pensions rise up by 30% just now, the prices rose by 50%! My parents and my grandfather only survive because I send them money every month. I can't even imagine what it's like for the old folks who don't have anyone to help them out. I guess it's those ones, that stand around selling vodka and sigarrettes near railway stations in the cities... so fucking sad.
| Quote: | | it certainly went downhill with Stalin |
Gee, really? Under Stalin, in 1947, two years after The War, the country has recovered its production levels of 1941, and by 1953, industrial production surpassed 1941 levels by 32%! Yeah, we were moving downhill alright! Think before you type, nikir. |
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bswaminathan
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| Posted: Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:28 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Well you say that the ruble is on the rise...but too so is inflation in
Russia...so that negates the value of the ruble. It's one thing if the ruble can buy more...but that reality is that it cannot. Food in russia just saw a dramatic increase...so what you are suggesting is not necessarily true. The problem in russia is that so many goods are over priced...every thing from real estate to electronics...to as I mentioned food. And with the dollar devalued...that means less investment on the part of America. Which we are some of the biggest spenders...in terms of tourism. Tourism is a vital industry because it directly affects the small business owners world wide. So with out the American dollars being spent...then those who depend on tourism will suffer. We will especially see this next year. But here in the US the interest rates are about to drop again and money is very cheap right now...we will see another boom in real estate in the next couple of years as house become more affordable. In the USA our greates investment is home ownership. And with equity comes security and the extra funds to
travel with etc. And this will create once again a rise in tourism. People want to go where they can get the most for thier money and feel the safest. And russia is still...well not an ideal place to visit for the average traveler. |
well you are talking about tourism in Russia which is very narrow, i'm talking about economic growth. A country's success depends on social improvement,economic growth and education. All the three are on a steep rise there when you compare them from the past. education is good, business is on rise as many factories & IT parks are going to set up there. do u know one before by 2012 Russia is projected as a most developed market for Europe like INDIA for asia.
I don't know why you are comparing US and Russia, Russia is on growth track and its too earler to compare it with US. In Russia now a days many people started learning a second language. how many of you know a second language, Russia even after doomed by US still has the ability to survive, its the real growth. you can't expect a success over night.
| Quote: | | The average Russian was better off 25 years ago than now. Rich Russians are substantially richer now. |
life before the collapse, its good. now its the point of total restructuring, it
will happen slowly. riches deposited their money in foreign banks and most of them are deposited as dollars. people who do have education can see their bright future approaching.
| Quote: | | P.S. There is no journalistic freedom in Russia. No matter what you read in "kommersant" you can be sure it is a message stamped and approved by the government or it would never have been printed. The government only allows to be printed that which shows Russia in a rosey glow. |
its not "no journalistic freedom in Russia" its the information and security act what they are maintaining. if there is a rule, no matter how real it is, a citizen is supposed to follow that.
Again if you think that news papers dispose a half truth news then how come the new business establishments are coming there. even i know the news by BBC & CNN spread false than real ones.
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yes so tomorrows elections then are a joke...because the people are totally manipulated then. Hmmm...well I pity the russian people then...not good. |
west doesn't like Russia to grow up again, they are interfering in their local matters. this is continuing even from soviet era to till date, no matter if its a paris airshow to G-summit. elections are not public news its a national issue. Russia is not IRAQ or Pakistan, where US can dictate things, Russian people are having 6th sense.
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You know it wouldn't be so bad, these rigged elections--not so terribly different from anywhere else really--if only somebody somewhere in the government actually cared about the people. Even just a little. Just a tiny bit they gave a $hit about the average Russian. But none of them do. They just all want to get in on the gas and oil and mineral money and the power, and the rest of the country be dammed. Such a brilliant country with such a history of dreadful government. |
Is it a story from an upcoming Hollywood movie? or is it a old james bond 007 movie story.
| Quote: | Soviet times were better for average Russian people than 'managed democracy' now?
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yes thats true, but the same trend will come back soon.
| Quote: | | Well this is what Ruskii was saying...Perhaps Putin wants to return Russia to that of 25 years ago. Regardless many over there are feeling the pain |
As many are in pain, hence he wants to return Russia in to its original state.
| Quote: | | The transition from communism was totally botched |
Its doomed in the name of transition. |
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