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gomer WayToRussified Joined: 30 Mar 2007 Posts: 445	Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:52 am    Post subject: A 'now you see it, now you don't' Russian jet A new Russian fighter jet can perform somersaults in mid-air and vanish from radar for a few seconds, so the story goes. It would make for some interesting dogfighting scenes. Jets deploying flares to confuse heat seeking missiles and somersaulting to try to break lock on radar guided missiles. The complexities of using guns in such a situation, is one for the computers to figure out.
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Jorge Lounge Lizard Joined: 10 Aug 2007 Posts: 162	Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 9:56 am    Post subject: Re: A 'now you see it, now you don't' Russian jet gomer wrote: A new Russian fighter jet can perform somersaults in mid-air and vanish from radar for a few seconds, so the story goes. It would make for some interesting dogfighting scenes. Jets deploying flares to confuse heat seeking missiles and somersaulting to try to break lock on radar guided missiles. The complexities of using guns in such a situation, is one for the computers to figure out. Are you talking about UFO's?
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:09 am    Post subject: so can the US jets Gomer...and most others...I think it russia it is referred to as the cobra manuever...but to be honest it is so non effective and a lot of times the jets will compression stall out...the flares are called chaff and they are a defense that tanks helicopters and other vehicles use to defend off heat seeking missiles. the new fighters in the soviet arsenal have variable vens and they are modified. New fighter technology in Russia is a bit behind. The F-22 and the JSF are at the fore front. But all this said...it's the avionics that give a fighter it's true capabilities. Right now the US has it's first unmanned fighter squadron servin in Iraq...pretty cool huh
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gomer WayToRussified Joined: 30 Mar 2007 Posts: 445	Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:09 am    Post subject: The vanishing from radar maneuvers were performed at the MAKS Air Show this past weekend. I wasn't sitting in front of a radar scope, so I can't say for sure that the jet actually vanished from radar, but that's the story.
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:15 am    Post subject: gomer wrote: The vanishing from radar maneuvers were performed at the MAKS Air Show this past weekend. I wasn't sitting in front of a radar scope, so I can't say for sure that the jet actually vanished from radar, but that's the story. well one it depends on the radar systems being used...the older radars are better at picking up stealthier slower flying aircraft. Also if the aircraft isn't giving off a lot of heat profiles then radars won't detect them. In GWI the stealth aircraft flew into bagdahd completely un noticed but yeah there is a lot of cool stuff. Soviet aircrafts always carried a larger weapons load the the usa jets. But the size factor became an issue...a SU 27 or a MiG 35 they have huge profiles...as pilots will say it's like shooting a tennis court. By the way guns are rarely used air to air
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gomer WayToRussified Joined: 30 Mar 2007 Posts: 445	Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:29 am    Post subject: surfguy wrote: In GWI the stealth aircraft flew into bagdahd completely un noticed I remember the F-117 Nighthawk.
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 10:30 am    Post subject: yes they didn't lose any of those...I worked on F-18s for over 10 years
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jo-jo-7 Just Starting Joined: 16 Mar 2010 Posts: 6	Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:42 pm    Post subject: Re: A 'now you see it, now you don't' Russian jet Jorge wrote: gomer wrote: A new Russian fighter jet can perform somersaults in mid-air and vanish from radar for a few seconds, so the story goes. It would make for some interesting dogfighting scenes. Jets deploying flares to confuse heat seeking missiles and somersaulting to try to break lock on radar guided missiles. The complexities of using guns in such a situation, is one for the computers to figure out. Are you talking about UFO's? I don't think so, but I am sure they used the same technology to make those crafts. I am sure UFO's that crashed over the years had something to do with the sophistication of todays aircrafts. Such a cover up. I don't know why the governments don't come on out and tell us that we are not alone. Those Engineers got their idea from that. The only thing is the metals from these UFO's don't exist on this planet...believe it or not!
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Yuri-s-Girl WayToRussified Joined: 01 Jul 2007 Posts: 371 Location: Ontario	Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 4:58 pm    Post subject: Re: A 'now you see it, now you don't' Russian jet jo jo 7 wrote: Jorge wrote: gomer wrote: A new Russian fighter jet can perform somersaults in mid-air and vanish from radar for a few seconds, so the story goes. It would make for some interesting dogfighting scenes. Jets deploying flares to confuse heat seeking missiles and somersaulting to try to break lock on radar guided missiles. The complexities of using guns in such a situation, is one for the computers to figure out. Are you talking about UFO's? I don't think so, but I am sure they used the same technology to make those crafts. I am sure UFO's that crashed over the years had something to do with the sophistication of todays aircrafts. Such a cover up. I don't know why the governments don't come on out and tell us that we are not alone. Those Engineers got their idea from that. The only thing is the metals from these UFO's don't exist on this planet...believe it or not! UFO'S come up in articles quite freqently in the Russia papers. I guess flying over the land over there is very interesting to the beings flying the UFO's? We have an airshow happening this coming weekend at our annual Canadian National Exhibition. Not sure what aircraft is there, other than the Snowbirds but the jets are always fun to watch and listen to. YG
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jo-jo-7 Just Starting Joined: 16 Mar 2010 Posts: 6	Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 5:07 pm    Post subject: Re: A 'now you see it, now you don't' Russian jet Yuri's Girl wrote: jo jo 7 wrote: Jorge wrote: gomer wrote: A new Russian fighter jet can perform somersaults in mid-air and vanish from radar for a few seconds, so the story goes. It would make for some interesting dogfighting scenes. Jets deploying flares to confuse heat seeking missiles and somersaulting to try to break lock on radar guided missiles. The complexities of using guns in such a situation, is one for the computers to figure out. Are you talking about UFO's? I don't think so, but I am sure they used the same technology to make those crafts. I am sure UFO's that crashed over the years had something to do with the sophistication of todays aircrafts. Such a cover up. I don't know why the governments don't come on out and tell us that we are not alone. Those Engineers got their idea from that. The only thing is the metals from these UFO's don't exist on this planet...believe it or not! UFO'S come up in articles quite freqently in the Russia papers. I guess flying over the land over there is very interesting to the beings flying the UFO's? We have an airshow happening this coming weekend at our annual Canadian National Exhibition. Not sure what aircraft is there, other than the Snowbirds but the jets are always fun to watch and listen to. YG I love airshows. I get nervous when they start diving. I get a rush and think they are going to crash and some has had that happen. We have a great airshow here during Derby. We have other airshows too but the one during derby is the best. Well, I don't want to talk too much about UFO's because you can look at some of the caught on satellite tapes that NASA has surfaced on You tube. There is one on there called "UFO NASA unexplained Tether incident" that you can click on to watch. It is 6:27 long. Just put in ufo in the address bar and go to the video with that title and watch it. Take it for what it is worth. I won't post it on the forum. Some people don't believe that stuff.
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RusskiCanadian23 Lounge Wizard Joined: 27 Mar 2007 Posts: 1104 Location: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada/Ванкувер, Британская Колумбия, Канада	Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 6:09 pm    Post subject: That is the Russian stealth plane, in case you are still wandering. Su-37 "Terminator" General characteristics Crew: One pilot Length: 22.183 m (72 ft 9 in) Wingspan: 14.7 m (48 ft 3 in) Height: 6.43 m (21 ft 1 in) Wing area: 62.0 m² (667 ft²) Empty weight: 18,500 kg (40,790 lb) Max takeoff weight: 35,000 kg (77,160 lb) Powerplant: 2× Lyulka AL-37FU turbofans, 145 kN (32,000 lbf) each Performance Maximum speed: 2,500 km/h at high altitude (1,550 mph [1]) Range: 3,700 km (2,230 mi) Service ceiling: 18,000 m (59,100 ft) Armament 1× 30 mm GSh-30 cannon with 150 rounds 12× wing and fuselage stations for up to 8,200 kg (18,080 lb) of ordnance
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:09 pm    Post subject: well that plane is not stealth at all...it's a mig and the heat profile it leaves is a very big one. These planes are now considered obsolete...and radars will pick these fighters up all day long. But they are a bad ass fighter for sure. Just a lot of new stuff out there now...really amazing stuff. Russia will catch up though. this is stealth:
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:14 pm    Post subject: and check out the JSF F-35
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Daria Lounge Wizard Joined: 16 May 2005 Posts: 1146 Location: Canada	Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:28 pm    Post subject: I don't know what those things are, but they look beautiful.
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surfguy Lounge Wizard Joined: 13 Apr 2006 Posts: 6979	Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2007 8:31 pm    Post subject: those are migs
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