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Vitaliy · Just Starting Joined: 04 Jan 2008 Posts: 2

Let me start off by saying that i know this issue has been covered, but my situation is slightly different with respect to a minor detail.

I left Saint Petersburg at the age of 10, and have never had a Domestic Passport as a result. The only passport i have is the "Zagranichnyj" passport, and it doesnt have any stamp in the "Snyat s Ucheta" section.

Now my parents always tell me of how teenagers get stuck when they visit the country because of the military requirement. Honestly, i do not want to give up my citizenship cause i might want to live there one day.

I've seen a few members on here mention the fact that you can avoid the cancellation of Russian citizenship, and instead deregistering the domestic passport, and registering your address with the nearest russian embassy, as a citizen permanently abroad.

specifically, i have seen DITRICH( i believe thats close to his name) talk about this matter, and he seems confident in the information hes given....but i was wondering if you had any documents to back up youre claims...its hard to be sure of information provided on the net..i mean it would be my life on the line if something you had said about the matter was incorrect, and by then it would be too late

Also, do you know what i need to do, since i only have the "Zagranichniy" Passport

goDutch · Frequent Guest Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 69

Vitaliy, I understand your situation, but it is unclear what you want to know.

When you register in the Russian consulate abroad, then they put a stamp in your "Zagranichnyj" passport, stating that you permanently stay in a foreign country. When you de-register in Russia, they put a stamp in your domestic passport, confirming that you are leaving. Note, that they keep personal files also for children, who do not have passports. When you de-register, then they also make a record in your file. Since you do not have a registration stamp in your foreign passoprt, most probably you are still registered somewhere in a local police office in Russia.

If you want to register in the Russian consulate, then, as I suspect, this will be next to impossible. This registration can be done only after de-registration in Russia. So, you need to get the domestic passport first. For this purpose you are supposed to go to your local police office in Russia and talk to them. If you decide to give up your citizenship, then you will stuck with the same problem - this is also possible only after de-registration in Russia.

DITTRICH · Posted: Tue Jan 08, 2008 6:44 pm Post subject:

Not having the domestic passport needed for deregistration would indeed be a problem as go dutch says. What I did say still stands - provided you can deregister in Russia and register with a Russian embassy abroad then the "draft" won't be a problem. I personally know someone who has done this and whilst the finer points of the documents...etc... were not explained to me it does work. This person has both his domestic and foreign passport. As goDutch says you will have to speak to the nice people at the local passport office in Russia - the one in the locality where your parents had their apartment [and propiska].
Rgds
Les

goDutch · Frequent Guest Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 69

The finer point of the procedure is that de-registration/registration at the local police office in Russia comes together with de-registration/registration at the local military office -"voenkomat". In the police office, they keep your personal card, which has a stamp from "voenkomat". In order to de-register, you need first to bring this card to "voenkomat" and cancel their stamp. When it is done, "voenkomat" does not follow you any more. In principle, Russian consulates can do de-registration for you, so you can avoid visiting "voenkomat" personally.

Vitaliy · Just Starting Joined: 04 Jan 2008 Posts: 2

so my only option is to get rid of my citizenship and apply for a visa?(i plan on not taking any chances)

goDutch · Frequent Guest Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 69

Vitaliy, to cancel your citizenship following the standard procedure, you need to be registered at the local consulate. In order to be registered in the local consulate, you need to be de-registered in the local Russian police office. De-registration is the necessary step, whether you want to keep the citizenship or not. Since you do not have your domestic passport, it looks like a closed circle. Try to talk to people in the consulate. Your case is special. May be they have a special procedure.

dmitristuckinus · Just Starting Joined: 15 Jan 2008 Posts: 5

Hi, i am super new to all this law business so, in advance, forgive my ignorance. I, like Vitaliy, never got a Russian domestic passport. Is it really necessary to deregister something you never had in order to register here at the embassy? Us, not having domestic passports, presupposes our "deregistration" in Russia, does it not? It definitely implies that there is not one place in Russia where we are registered. I guess, i want to know how the domestic passport functions and whether the passport for abroad (заграничный) could substitute for it? Thanks guys!

goDutch · Frequent Guest Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 69

dmitristuckinus · Just Starting Joined: 15 Jan 2008 Posts: 5

Is "Поставлен на Учет" the same as being "registered?" Then, if it is, Vitaliy check your passport and see whether you have that stamp. Further, read this and make your own conclusions.

РАЗДЕЛ II. ВОИНСКИЙ УЧЕТ
Статья 8. Организация воинского учета
1. Граждане обязаны состоять на воинском учете, за исключением граждан:
1. освобожденных от исполнения воинской обязанности в соответствии с настоящим Федеральным законом;
2. проходящих военную службу или альтернативную гражданскую службу;
3. отбывающих наказание в виде лишения свободы;
4. женского пола, не имеющих военно-учетной специальности;
5. постоянно проживающих за пределами Российской Федерации.

If everything goes accordingly to law, no one will conscript us until we are "поставлен на учет" or "registered" at the local police office. But, how long, if at all, can we stay in Russia without registering locally?

goDutch · Frequent Guest Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 69

dmitristuckinus · Just Starting Joined: 15 Jan 2008 Posts: 5

Thank you goDutch but can you further explain this:

goDutch · Frequent Guest Joined: 14 Jun 2007 Posts: 69

Every Russian citizen older than 16 years, must have a valid domestic passport with a registration in the local police office (Russian citizens living abroad must be registered at consulates). When you change address, then within 10 days or something like that you must get a new registration stamp. If police sees that you do not have a valid stamp, they check time which passed from the moment, where the last stamp was cancelled. If you do not have these stamps at all, it means that you were illegal since you reached 16.

Check you "zagranichnyi" passport. If there is a stamp "Prinyat na uchyot" from your local consulate, then it proves that you are registered as a Russian citizen permanently living abroad. In this case you are legal and reasonably safe.

dmitristuckinus · Just Starting Joined: 15 Jan 2008 Posts: 5

Thank you goDutch! You're the best!

nick-desiren-com-au · Just Starting Joined: 13 Feb 2008 Posts: 1

HI My name is Nikolai

I came to Australia from former USSR when I was 7 years old.
Never had a russian passport.
I tried making a visa to go as an australian tourist to visit my family overseas but it was denied because I was born in the USSR.

I am 21 years old, and applying for a russia passport.
Would I have to do the military serivice if I go there for a holiday for 2 weeks?

I dont want to take the chance and get stuck

Any suggestions, does anyone know the law and what would happen if I go

Any suggestions and help will be much appriciated

lofwmj12 · Just Starting Joined: 12 Mar 2008 Posts: 1

Hey Vitaly,
Have you made any progress with your problem. I have a similar situation, and I wanted to know how the things worked out for you and whether you have any pointers/suggestions.

Thanks in advance

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