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mister_wizzz
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 Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 11:26 am Post subject: Kursk & Katrina-comparing diff. emergency management eff |
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| Vic wrote: | [Ok, I am absolutely sure that our government would have done a better job - Bengladesh or Sri Lanka would have done a better job. Please do not compare your INFERIOR, CORRUPT, FUNDAMENTALIST government to ours. Ours atleast cares about our people and admit we have some problems while yours has the belief that it is, as you say, superior - it is far from superior.
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From the start of this post you use this disaster to denigrate the US, which is a pretty low attitude.
You say you are sure your gov would have done a better job, well in that case better not thinking about the submariners who died in the Koursk, I remind you that your super gov didn't accept the international help which meant a certain death for those guys.
I also find very funny that a russian could give lessons about corruption. |
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Vic
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| mister_wizzz wrote: | From the start of this post you use this disaster to denigrate the US, which is a pretty low attitude.
You say you are sure your gov would have done a better job, well in that case better not thinking about the submariners who died in the Koursk, I remind you that your super gov didn't accept the international help which meant a certain death for those guys.
I also find very funny that a russian could give lessons about corruption. |
*B.S. Flag*
Before you post, please learn facts - all hands aboard the Atomic Submarine K-141 Kursk died within 10 hours since the initial explosion. Within that time, no rescue vessels - Russian or foreign could have arrived at the scene and rescued anyone.
If you read the report, you would know that (stating from memory - sorry for any mistakes):
After the initial explosion, the second officer (Lieutenant-Captain Dmitry Kolesnikov) assumed command of the submarine.
After examining the other compartments (up to number 6, I think - 7 was completely flooded and examining it would prove fatal) all survivors (more than 20) were ordered to proceed to the last comartment (number 9 - which was not flooded)
Here is the note that was found in his pocket: ""All the crew from the sixth, seventh and eighth compartments went over to the ninth. There are 23 people here. We made this decision as a result of the accident. None of us can get to the surface."
They made sure the reaction in the reactor was dead and proceeded to the other items on the emergency procedures such as enabling life support, extinguishing fires (yes - there were multiple fires onboard) and destroying sensetive information and or technologies onboard.
After about 5 hours the men were tired and exhausted, some suffering from CO poisoning, but morally in good condition)
Somewhere around this time, they used the emergency life support packs (a box which makes 02 out of C02 BUT - it is extremely sensetive to water or oil - when it falls on the packs - they burn, and I mean REALLY burn)
They discussed evacuating to the surface, but decided that it would be unlikely that they would survive the recompression, especially in their physical state (at that depth - there would be extreme pressure on the bodies as soon as they left the submarine - but they did have evac packs for all survivors)
About 10 hours after the initial explosion a large fire started, apparently due to water (that was flooding the compartment) getting into the above mentioned packs.
All men that survived the initial explosion died of Carbon Menoxide poisoning within a several minutes of the breakout of the fire.
Nobody lived past 10 hours. This was determined from examining the bodies of the survivors - there is some biological process (basically it is aldrenaline), which gives short term strength in emergency situations, and another one that will kick in after 12-14 hours that has something to do with endurance (I would be glad to get more info on this - I am not good with biology and am only stating what was said in the report - they described it in detail but I did not really catch most of that)
Nobody panicked or lost sanity during the event - all men executed the proper procedures and followed orders during the whole emergency situation.
So, please, do not bullshit and do not disgrace the sailors that did their duty untill the last minutes of their lives.
In any case - a month ago when the AS-28 got caught in the nets off Kamchatka, after exhausting our options, we asked for help and recieved it. In the Kursk incident - the "rescuers" would have had nothing to do (kind of like our rescuers in New Orleans right now). |
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mediashark
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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*off-topic flag*
If anyone wants to talk about the Kursk, please start a new thread. I would also place a link to the thread if you do. |
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mister_wizzz
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| Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2005 6:30 pm Post subject: |
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| Vic wrote: | | mister_wizzz wrote: | From the start of this post you use this disaster to denigrate the US, which is a pretty low attitude.
You say you are sure your gov would have done a better job, well in that case better not thinking about the submariners who died in the Koursk, I remind you that your super gov didn't accept the international help which meant a certain death for those guys.
I also find very funny that a russian could give lessons about corruption. |
*B.S. Flag*
Before you post, please learn facts - all hands aboard the Atomic Submarine K-141 Kursk died within 10 hours since the initial explosion. Within that time, no rescue vessels - Russian or foreign could have arrived at the scene and rescued anyone.
If you read the report, you would know that (stating from memory - sorry for any mistakes):
After the initial explosion, the second officer (Lieutenant-Captain Dmitry Kolesnikov) assumed command of the submarine.
After examining the other compartments (up to number 6, I think - 7 was completely flooded and examining it would prove fatal) all survivors (more than 20) were ordered to proceed to the last comartment (number 9 - which was not flooded)
Here is the note that was found in his pocket: ""All the crew from the sixth, seventh and eighth compartments went over to the ninth. There are 23 people here. We made this decision as a result of the accident. None of us can get to the surface."
They made sure the reaction in the reactor was dead and proceeded to the other items on the emergency procedures such as enabling life support, extinguishing fires (yes - there were multiple fires onboard) and destroying sensetive information and or technologies onboard.
After about 5 hours the men were tired and exhausted, some suffering from CO poisoning, but morally in good condition)
Somewhere around this time, they used the emergency life support packs (a box which makes 02 out of C02 BUT - it is extremely sensetive to water or oil - when it falls on the packs - they burn, and I mean REALLY burn)
They discussed evacuating to the surface, but decided that it would be unlikely that they would survive the recompression, especially in their physical state (at that depth - there would be extreme pressure on the bodies as soon as they left the submarine - but they did have evac packs for all survivors)
About 10 hours after the initial explosion a large fire started, apparently due to water (that was flooding the compartment) getting into the above mentioned packs.
All men that survived the initial explosion died of Carbon Menoxide poisoning within a several minutes of the breakout of the fire.
Nobody lived past 10 hours. This was determined from examining the bodies of the survivors - there is some biological process (basically it is aldrenaline), which gives short term strength in emergency situations, and another one that will kick in after 12-14 hours that has something to do with endurance (I would be glad to get more info on this - I am not good with biology and am only stating what was said in the report - they described it in detail but I did not really catch most of that)
Nobody panicked or lost sanity during the event - all men executed the proper procedures and followed orders during the whole emergency situation.
So, please, do not bullshit and do not disgrace the sailors that did their duty untill the last minutes of their lives.
In any case - a month ago when the AS-28 got caught in the nets off Kamchatka, after exhausting our options, we asked for help and recieved it. In the Kursk incident - the "rescuers" would have had nothing to do (kind of like our rescuers in New Orleans right now). |
Ooops, finished ?
Don't care how a russian submarine is leaded.
I only said the way you use this disaster to denigrate the US is disgusting. |
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Vic
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| Posted: Sat Sep 10, 2005 6:00 pm Post subject: |
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| mister_wizzz wrote: |
Ooops, finished ?
Don't care how a russian submarine is leaded.
I only said the way you use this disaster to denigrate the US is disgusting. |
Really? You don't care? Than why do you bring the topic up? You are the one that compared apples to oranges.
I am not using this disaster to attack the U.S. I am just pointing out YOUR problems so that maybe YOU will be able to do something about this in the future. This is a two way street you know?
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