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blaked Lounge Lizard
Joined: 29 Dec 2004 Posts: 180 Location: Moscow
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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2005 2:25 pm Post subject: |
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Is this Bourne Identity fellow trolling or is he just an addle-brained commie loser? America doesn't really influence Russia, although it may have for a while under Yeltsin when Gaidar et. all were relying on the advice of 'gurus' from Harvard. Russia even kicked out the Peace Corps... Russia has its own overseas sphere of influence, although it is limited to Western Moldova, Abkhazia, Southern Ossetia, Armenia, Crimea and the Donbas region. Countries within the US sphere are easily recognized because they feature American military bases and receive aid. Russia isn't even in the WTO. Russians commonly believe that the liberal parties - mainly SPS and Yabloko - were dominated by foreign agents.
Russia will never allow itself to become controlled by China. Why do you think Russia doesn't have a professional army? They need conscripts to guard the borders and keep the yellow stain out of Siberia. |
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PC Just Starting
Joined: 06 Feb 2005 Posts: 1
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 3:21 am Post subject: |
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Talking of armies, I would like to ask about military service in Russia (ie, duration, can you choose freely between Army, Navy or Air Force &c), and what image do the Russians have of their military today? I heard the Navy was criticized after the Kursk thing
| blaked wrote: | | Russia will never allow itself to become controlled by China. Why do you think Russia doesn't have a professional army? They need conscripts to guard the borders and keep the yellow stain out of Siberia. |
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Mogsfan WayToRussified
Joined: 03 Nov 2004 Posts: 490
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Posted: Sun Feb 06, 2005 6:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Russia will never allow itself to become controlled by China. |
They aleady are. Open your eyes.  |
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YuG Just Starting
Joined: 07 Feb 2005 Posts: 5
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Posted: Mon Feb 07, 2005 4:26 am Post subject: |
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You have all gone too far from main subject of this corner of waytorussia.net.
Sorry for telling this, but even i cant see You, i can see hate in Your eyes....
As typing this from small Serbia, i just cant not to put few lines here, amazed how similar history we had, and are having.After all, arent we all Slavs? Dont we have same blood running? :)
As being one of NATO possible victims, cant tell that i like "heads"" of west much. I can thank allmighty for being able to type now this to you. Such things im sure will never happen to Russia.
Seems we have incommon not to like US and most of things from there. I spoke with russians who cant forgive and forget that also, really this little country Serbia was raped.
hmm
seems im getting addicted. better to stop now |
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gr_ Just Starting
Joined: 11 Feb 2005 Posts: 1
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Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| PC wrote: | | Talking of armies, I would like to ask about military service in Russia (ie, duration, can you choose freely between Army, Navy or Air Force &c), and what image do the Russians have of their military today? I heard the Navy was criticized after the Kursk thing |
Well this is really an interesting topic to talk about Military service is obligatory for every man from 18 (at this age most people finish 11th grade in school) to 27 and lasts 2 years. You start as soldier and finish with a little higher rank (don`t remember wich, but its lower than any officer rank). You can`t choose between divisions, and you can`t choose place of service either. Several years ago newly recruited soldiers were even sent straight to Chechnya, but now (probably) army officials at least try to choose place safer and nearer to your current location. However you still could be sent from Moscow to Vladivostok (which is not far from Alaska btw) and there`s nothing you can do (exept bridery of course).
New recruits are treated ..ahem.. not very good. There`s constant bullying from second-year soldiers and officers, but it highly depends on division you`re in and in worst cases could be unbearable. Suicides happen regularly, but alomst all of them are reported as unfortunate accidents.
I think its clear, that not exactly everyone wants to be drafted in such army The most obvious way to escape being drafted is to hide from recruiting centre , they won`t bother searching for you too extensive - they can easily find others to take your place. This is possible, but without a mark aobut military service in your passport you can`t leave the country, get official job etc. So it really can work only in small cities. Hopefully there are also many official ways to postpone or to escape being drafted.
Firstly, you can go to university. If you manage to pass exams immideately after graduating school you will not be drafted for the next 4-6 years (depending on university). High education is free and if you don`t really need knowledge you always can choose the weakest university with easiest exams (or cheapest bribe amounts) and pass with no problem.
However after graduating you still must go to army. Most universities are offering voluntary army "lessons" wich you can attend for a couple of years and earn lower officer rank. This obviosly has several advantages, but it also has one big disadvantage: you HAVE to go to army whenever army officials want.
So to avoid being drafted at all you sholdn`t attend those and either continue studying and earn scientific degree or get hired by certain governmental scientific research institute or get married (and get 3 or more kids as well.. ) or obtain some kind of horrible disease or etc etc etc. There are hundreds of ways, and if you don`t have a proper disease or really aren`t fond of sicence most of them involve bribery (however it is possible to escape without money at all, but it`ll be much much harder).
That is why nowadays army consist mostly of those unfortunate ones that for whatever reason couldn`t pass exams in ALL universities or find any other way to escape being drafted - definitely not the best and smartest people in general, and this situation makes bullying problems even worse, and potential recruits try even harder to escape drafting, and so on. Of course there are guys who go to army because they want to serve their duty etc as well, but majority still avoids army service using all means they`ve got.
There was a lot of talk about creation of professional army by year 2010, but as for now government is planning to cancel many drafting postponements including abilty to study in university, and overall situation is not getting any better.
ps. hmm all these adressings to "you " seem a little strange in english Just read it as "one" or smth.. I REALLY don`t think I can rewrite the whole post  |
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Camrade VIP
Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 516 Location: Санкт-Петербург
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Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 12:19 am Post subject: |
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2gr_
You seem to be russian absolutely agree with you..
but still being a student I attend army courses in the university, that's interesting to test AK-47 in life  |
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vorteks VIP
Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 571 Location: European Union
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Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:30 am Post subject: |
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Is the extension of the European Community to countries formerly in the soviet block regarded more as a threat to russian cultural influence in the area or more as an oportunity of economic development for the neighboring russia?
How is the European Community regarded by russians, I mean the concept of federation of states not based on the idea of nation, with very low capacities of military interventions, but bound by very strong economic and financial links (common currency ,economic rules and constitution)...Is it regarded as a foolish concept, especially when this entity has no united political ideas about how to percieve other competing economic powers, oposing those that assure their defense, or an interesting experiment of how a global economy should work, distranciated from idelogies? |
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shalam Just Starting
Joined: 18 Feb 2005 Posts: 1 Location: Lithuania
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Skip Talk Show Host
Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 283 Location: Planet Warez
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Posted: Fri Feb 18, 2005 4:28 pm Post subject: |
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| shalam wrote: | | great site !!! <SNIP> |
Cross posted to two forums, definite SPAM... what sort of a jerk are you Shalam, you think your input is appreciated by anyone else...  |
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Camrade VIP
Joined: 06 Dec 2004 Posts: 516 Location: Санкт-Петербург
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Posted: Sat Feb 19, 2005 12:37 am Post subject: |
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2Skip
*applause* |
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vorteks VIP
Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 571 Location: European Union
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Posted: Tue Feb 22, 2005 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| vorteks wrote: | Is the extension of the European Community to countries formerly in the soviet block regarded more as a threat to russian cultural influence in the area or more as an oportunity of economic development for the neighboring russia?
How is the European Community regarded by russians, I mean the concept of federation of states not based on the idea of nation, with very low capacities of military interventions, but bound by very strong economic and financial links (common currency ,economic rules and constitution)...Is it regarded as a foolish concept, especially when this entity has no united political ideas about how to percieve other competing economic powers, oposing those that assure their defense, or an interesting experiment of how a global economy should work, distranciated from idelogies? |
Still no taker (russian citizen only) about how the European Community is felt and understood in Russia?
(it could be an interesting alternative to the very entertaining, but quite repetitive catfighting and name calling posts ) |
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Skip Talk Show Host
Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 283 Location: Planet Warez
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Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2005 4:01 pm Post subject: |
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Name calling and cat fighting is far more interesting... especially when it's the spineless frog -v- a bulldog... just let me know when you want me to turn you into a laughing stock again won't you...  |
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MrSpice Lounge Wizard
Joined: 14 Jul 2003 Posts: 3436
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2005 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| I would think that if Russia was indeed the puppet of the US it would have truly free market system, declaration of independence, 3 branches of government separated from each other, true respect of the private land ownership and private enterprise and representative jury court system. Truly, the Russian government could not have nationalized all major TV networks as well as the most successful private oil company. Russia would certainly not help Iran build a nuclear reactor if it was a puppet of the US. I don't think it would limit new oil exploration to majority-owned Russian firms, as it recently did. Russia does so many thinks in a very pro-soviet, un-american way in its economy and its foreign policy that it's hard to imagine if it can be called a puppet of the US by serious thinking person. |
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UkrainianPoljak Just Starting
Joined: 03 Mar 2005 Posts: 8 Location: Toronto
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 3:00 am Post subject: |
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Come on we are all Slavs. Plus we all came from the same area. We are the same people. Russia is our motherland.  |
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Jutrzenkapolska VIP
Joined: 16 Sep 2004 Posts: 534
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Posted: Thu Mar 03, 2005 4:31 am Post subject: |
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There is a substancial difference. I don't know about you but I don't feel so very Russian or Ukrainian. They have somewhat the same mentality, values, tastes and language, to be sure. |
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