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Dr-Fauste
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Unfortunately I have agree with Skip.
Mogs, you think that Democracy was good in Canada right away(even now). Russia democracy is getting adapted and will be quite different than before. Trust will have to be earned and established. Yelstin put Russia back a hundred years. Russia would be a scary place if the oil revenues did not exist.
Democracy is not necessarily a great thing. look at yugoslavia under Tito and it was a great country. |
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Skip
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 5:31 am Post subject: |
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| Dr Fauste wrote: | | Unfortunately I have agree with Skip |
I really have nothing to add to that... in fact it's probably the best post I've seen you make since joining WTR...  |
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Dr-Fauste
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| Look shit head, you have no worth to me, so beating the living FUCK out of you is no problem. OKay. TROLL some else or else. Okay? |
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Skip
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| Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2005 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| Dr Fauste wrote: | | Look shit head, you have no worth to me, so beating the living FUCK out of you is no problem. OKay. TROLL some else or else. Okay? |
No asshole... you fuck off out of peoples faces, most of your posts are shit anyway and your opinions are pretty shallow... and if you ever met me you'd piss your darling little panties on the spot, l guarantee you that much  |
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Dr-Fauste
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I will shit on you and thanks to you I have your IP
I am not who you think I am !!
TRUST ME my little tampex.
Fuck off my little nerd |
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Skip
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Oh dear... my IP... the one which changes at every connection to the net... so what you think you can do wid' it heh?
DDOS? What? Some tiny little viral nasty?
Hell... nobody else here will ever want to converse with you again!!!
And as for who you imagine I think you are... don't flatter yourself, I don't think about you in the slightest... and I never shall... you're a worthless little jerk who obviously desperately needs to get a life of his own...
Keep digging... then lie in the hole and get someone to cover you in...  |
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Dr-Fauste
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Dig that hole to put your corpse TROLL!!!
Typical NERD.
| Quote: | DDOS? What? Some tiny little viral nasty?
Hell... nobody else here will ever want to converse with you again!!! |
So, Do I care!!!
No,
MY IP is American. I think so !!! But I am not in US or am I?
Make sure that person behind you is a friend or you think is a friend. Are you sure he is your friend my liitle ENGLISH NERD. Troll someone else. |
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Anathema
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Skip and Dr. F:
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Keoki
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You really cannot compare it to the situation where there not a single widely accessible network TV channel that is not controller by the government. And there's a lot of self-censorship on the part of many journalists in the media fearing that they won't have a job if they say "too much" |
I certainly don't mean to say that there's more freedom of speech in Russia - I visited the studios rented by NTV at Ostankino once, and there was a little one-way window above where a government official sat and observed what was being recorded. Scary. But the US is hypocritical in its censorship. The moral high ground Bush likes to stand on so much is shaky. |
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pumakin
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Democracy a facade in Russia? BFD. Tell me something new.
Democracy a facade in America?...Now THAT'S something worth discussing.
Without economic democracy (broad, equitable ownership and control of resources and the money supply) political democracy means nothing. So the question is really about who controls the resources, and how is the monetary system structured? Does a centrally controlled, debt-based monetary system, such as ours, really promote democratic values and ethical behavior? |
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Mogsfan
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pumakin, I totally agree with you. But, like I stated in my post, I advised against bringing up American politics and taking the topic into another American tangent.
In my reply to Dr. Fauste, I mentioned that democracy needs an educated and informed populace. It 's also necessary to have enough decent people, even altruistic but definitely not too selfish. I mean, it's the so-called democratic societies that are full of corrupt and evil businessmen and politicians. Democracy cannot be as desired with those conditions. However, I brought up Russia as the design of the forum is to discuss Russian-related topics. I think it's important for Russians to give thought to democratic ideals and what is required rather than always pointing out the failings of America and other democratic countries. That is faulty thinking, imho, and it does nothing to further education and useful reflection on Russia's current political situation and the idea of democracy.
For the people to be merely pissed off and complain about the Yeltsin years, it is understandable but not helpful. To be tolerant and even reluctantly accept Putin and his policies is a detriment to potential steps to some resemblance of democracy. Unfortunately, when situations are bad, no one really cares about the fundamentals; it's about what is good for me and how can I prosper.
I just thought that, since Russia, was starting anew with respect to democracy, it was interesting to see how it developed in contrast to North American societies who are so apathetic to their own government's sham of a democracy. |
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Mogsfan
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Oh yeah, Fauste and Skip, stop hijacking my thread with yer childish pissing contests!    |
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vettra
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my 2cents - throw away the word democracy. too meaningless. in Acapulco in 1999, my Mexican friend described Mexico as a pole, and a bunch of people trying to climb the pole. The stronger sits
on top of the head of the weaker. What other countries fit this analogy? The cops in Russia are
so useless, people are used to resolving disputes via their "krisha" (thugs).
I think Panama has something of a "democracy". I'm thinking of moving there.
russia, america: both are planned political systems. Looks like plans didn't
work out in one of them. |
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