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vorteks
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 Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 10:00 pm Post subject: Karol Wojtyla is no more |
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As some of you might know, Karol Wojtyla, better known under "John Paul 2" has left this world yesterday.
I personally feel a bit sad since i truely admired the man. If i was more mystical, I would certainly feel happy for him...
I know Russia is not really a catholic land, but since this pope was slavic, came from a former soviet country, and played an active role in the polish independance, i guess his name made somewhat its way to Russia.
I was wondering how the man and his actions were percieved in Russia. I know he tried to visit Russia but was never allowed in. He never managed to contact orthodox authorities. How was his eucomenical international policy (visiting muslins and jews) understood by orthodoxs? Was there any news about his death in russian medias today? Can he be regarded as a slavic hero? |
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Jutrzenkapolska
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Damn it, I was going to start a topic on this.  But you were faster.
Goodbye, Charles.You will be missed greatly.
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2vorteks
many russians are upset by that, by the way
and russian media is very loyal to catholics |
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Jutrzenkapolska
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| Is it true that that there are more Catholics in Milwaukee,Wisconsin than in the whole of Russia? |
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seems to be truth  because I know only one catholic - she's a girl who was born in Krakow and moved to Russia quite long ago so it's not surprising
Among russian catholicism is absolutely unpopular: russians are mostly orthodox, then there are quite many muslims |
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Jutrzenkapolska
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Yeah, I was thinking "And out of all of those Catholics, how many are Polish immigrants?".I bet the entire Russian Catholic Church consists of like, one bishop, a handful of priests and nuns, three buildings and someone's basement.
When the Pope died, it was a Saturday, so I was at Polish school and of course no one talked about anything else the whole day. And of course, the only tv in the whole building gave out so we had no idea what was going on. The priest encouraged everyone to go to Mass afterwards to pray for his recovery. My family decided to go, my mother called her hairdresser to cancel her appointment and it was the hairdresser who told her that the Pope had been dead for more than an hour.
About halfway through the service, the priest left, came back, interrupted the altar boy and abruptly announced that the Pope had died.OMG,I have never seen that many 17-year-old boys crying at once.The poor altar boy could barely stand on his feet.This one quite annoying, macho, six-foot-tall Polish boy from my class just had tears rolling down his face and as terrible as this sounds, how I wish I had a microscopic camera. 
So, which one of those religions are you? |
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5_Zvehzda
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| Posted: Mon Apr 04, 2005 6:02 am Post subject: Catholics in Milwaukee |
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| Jutrzenkapolska wrote: | | Is it true that that there are more Catholics in Milwaukee,Wisconsin than in the whole of Russia? |
Wow. . . a surprise comes up in this thread I didn't expect. I grew up in Milwaukee, and lived there for 14 years. As far as determining the largest population of Catholics in Russia in proportion to MKE . . . well, I can't give you the definite stats right now. But I think there's probably more in Chicago and Boston.
As far as European roots, Milwaukee has been host to one of the largest Polish immigrant populations in the U.S from the early 20th century. Open a Milwaukee Metro-area telephone book and you'll find a very, very sizable list of Polish surnames - a few of which I've known, worked and lived among personally for a long time. They celebrate their heritage every year at the Polish festival on the lake.
BTW - Milwaukee has a few nicknames . . . one of them is 'Land of a thousand Steeples' . . . as it possesses many, many church-tops in it's skyline. Like any city, many religions are actively worshipped - and yes, Catholicism is quite alive and well. It's a solid childhood memory. |
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Jutrzenkapolska
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| I'm researching it on the Internet...OK, let's see, Milawaukee, 19th largest city in the United States, home to over a million people and many more in the surrounding area, most of them of German or Polish decent, some Latino and African American minorites... it's an archdiocese with a membership of 587 539, has four dioceses in the surounding areas with populations of 362 632, 217 505, 238 597, 81 234. The one archbishop in Russia, Polish man btw, claims that he's the head of 600,000 people.Oh yeah, Milawaukee outnumbers Russia easily.Not to even mention Boston or Chicago or Brooklyn, NYC. It kicks Russia's ass in this category . |
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Mogsfan
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vorteks
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The assassination attempt was organised by sovietics, this is no secret, since Ali Agca did speak and denounce his mandators.
What i don t understand is that after the perestroika, why he still was refused the entrance in Russia. He was a head of state, and as such, should have automaticly been welcomed in Russia. He preached eucumenism and met most religion leaders : from muslins to jews, protestants or buddhists. Why orthodox leaders always refused to enter this eucumenic logic? What did they have to fear?
I read on the internet that orthodoxs feared catholic proselitism in Russia, and even a papal mess on a wide screen in Moscow raised protessts. Here we have many orthodox monasteries, orthodox broadcasts on tv and it doesnt bother anybody, since the republic is based on laicism. Would orthodoxy be a new state religion after communism? |
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| I just want to add that 10-15 years ago most Russians did not care much for religion, at least in big cities like St. Petersburg and Moscow. I think many people did not even know the difference between catholicism and ortodox christianity. Nowadays, of course, many people wear crosses and all government officals like to point out how religious they are. |
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Jutrzenkapolska
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| The Pope was instrumental in bringing about the end of Communism in Eastern Europe, maybe more than most people realize.A few years ago, there was a book writen (by no less than Carl Bernstein) claiming the Pope was collaborating with the CIA during Reagan's administration and that at the time, Washington and the Vatican regularly shared top secret intelligence.Supposedly, the Vatican and the US were secretly supporting Solidarity for years. Solidarity eventually brought about the fall of Communism in Poland and well, you all know what happened next.Maybe ought to be thanking (or blaming) the Pope for the way Russia is today. |
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Myskin.it
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| vorteks wrote: | Why orthodox leaders always refused to enter this eucumenic logic? What did they have to fear?
I read on the internet that orthodoxs feared catholic proselitism in Russia, and even a papal mess on a wide screen in Moscow raised protessts. |
Someone could explain me why there is that suspicion?
What have to fear Orthodoxs?
Is only nationalism? Or competition? |
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Jutrzenkapolska
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I'm guessing it's because whenever there is more than one religion you'll find competion for souls.
Like the evangelial Christians, Pentecostals, Baptists and all sorts of weird Protestant demominations have reared their head in Latin America and conversions are growing fast.Mainly because evangelicals, wacky as they are, will go out of their way to take someone to a hospital, help them out financially, take care of someone's kids, put a homeless person into a decent apartment etc. And of course, the Catholic Church in South America is very concerned.
But why this fear of Catholicism? Doesn't look as if the Orthodox Church has much to be afraid of, not much competion there. |
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Myskin.it
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I know the Protestant activity.
The isolationism of the Orthodox Church is with all others religions or only whith Catholic Church?
There are some historical events that justify this (bad) relation whith Catholics?
I hope is only distrust. |
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