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vorteks
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The average salary is at 500 USD in moscow, 120 in the country side, but...
this doesnt include the black market  |
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Mark
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Though some parts of Moscow are expensive,that doesn't count for all places..
About Moscow being hell try living in England where the bills make you wish you was in hell...
It's paradise here for me cheap cigs,cheap beer..
You can't go wrong..
What pisses me of, is that you have filthy rich people eating out and just a few feet away beggers are on their hands and kness..I don't mind rich or poor beggers but this problem should be sorted.. |
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blaked
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| Someone's looking a little pink... |
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BELS
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Yes cheap beers and cigarettes, in the high street kiosks I love it, But have you tried their "PUBS" you know, these places that are meant for working class people. And the "English Pub" What a joke.
No wonder the Russians drink their vodka and beer on the streets and in the metro. Oh and the forest barbeque and booze ups in the Summer. I love them. They are not so stupid like the ex-pats or tourists. |
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El-Casey
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Nothing wrong with being a little pink (or, dare I say, red) if social justice is the aim. The class divisions will eventually balance out, I think, but then again, I don't head over to Russia until August.  |
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Leeloo4_u
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"Older men usually drink vodka, horrible Russian cognac or Gorilka (honey and pepper flavored Ukrainian vodka - surprisingly good for something so strong.) Women will do an obligatory shot and then stick with wine or something like juice. Young people all drink beer, which tends to immitate German or Czech beer. "
Ok I had a couple of Russian guest who came to the hotel I work at, they were all ages. They drank all our Vodka, from the minibar, from the bar from the function, we were out of Vodka stock for a whole 2 weeks, I know in Russian custom they DO drink a lot of Vodka, how does the younger generation compare? Or was that group an exception?
They were very VERY very nice people!! |
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traceymill
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| Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 12:14 am Post subject: depends on who you are and what you see............ |
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Moskva is truly a beautiful city............you can turn in so many directions and see something totally out of the ordinary. Of course I love the churches and all the buildings downtown, I love all of the art, and the underground is one of the most amazing in the world(so there is dirt, there is dirt everywhere, look past the dirt and find the jewel), the history is alive, it is seeping up from the stones on the ground and in the faces of the people, but you must look for it, you must not look for what you know or expect, you must look for something else and I promise you will find it.
About expense, if you stay in the tourist areas then you will pay outrageous prices, but if you go off the beaten path then there are many deals to be had.........be smart, and explore, that is what travelling is for!!! |
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www.com
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| but the whether is moscow is horrible. how long can someone last in a city with grey skies? i have never seen a flower grow in moscow. Now a city like Belgorod..... |
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BELS
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:24 pm Post subject: Re: Moscow Overpriced? |
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| brandalpayne11 wrote: | A few people have said on this site that i should avoid Moscow, and concentrate on st. pete, & other places because Moscow is overpriced.
Please explain, is it food,clubs, lodging.
And expensive compared to what.
I would appreciate any & all input |
This thread was started in 2004, it is now April 2008. After living here in Moscow from that time and still here now, I can honestly now state that Moscow is now the most expensive city in the world. This is due to high inflation and overpricing. Although metro travel, local beers, vodka and local cigarettes from shops are relatively cheap still. But not beer and other from many of the restaurants, cafes, and clubs. They can sometimes be more expensive than the UK. At least the UK has an excuse, as there alchahol drinks are much more heavily taxed than Russia's. |
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academka
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| Moscow is overpriced mostly in terms of buying property here. Actual average rate of buying 1 sq m of apartment is about 5-6 thousands USD. That is considering, that this apartment is not in the center and requires capital investments. As a result of it prices for hotels and apartment rentals are also high. In all other terms, Moscow is much cheaper than any Europian city (not speaking about the most expensive fancy restaurants like Pushkin, etc.) |
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academka
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| The last official average salary rate in Moscow (as at the end of 2007) was $1000 or RUB 23 170. |
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academka
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| Leeloo4_u wrote: | | "Women will do an obligatory shot and then stick with wine or something like juice. " |
.. never heard about "obligatory shot"))) If you are drinking somewhere in the heart of Siberia with some sawnwood workers, then probably yes)) in Moscow it can be just about prostitutes i guess))) |
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BELS
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| academka wrote: | | The last official average salary rate in Moscow (as at the end of 2007) was $1000 or RUB 23 170. |
That's the income officially claimed. Ask a Russian what that means  Because I'm not going to tell you here
For £130 per week , it would be impossible to live in Moscow. Believe me !!
Don't believe a thing that Moscowvites are able to accept such salaries in Moscow !! Because that would be impossible. Perhaps babooshkas on their pension, who are struggling. Maybe!! A more realistic salary in Mscow at the lower end is now $4,000 . No sensible family keeper can afford less.
If you hear different, it's a myth, and you won't get official reports, as Russian believe in keeping part of their salary unofficial, that's where the confusion lies. |
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academka
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| Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:17 am Post subject: |
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 That`s why I wrote "official". I just wanted to make correction to 500$, not to the statement of hidden slaries.
And by the way I am Russian and living in Moscow
4,000$ is Moscow salary for specialists having about 3 years of experience in consulting, accounting or EXTREMELY good and experienced office managers. But there are about just 20-30% of people, who are well educated, making career, etc. Most people are sharing rooms, searching for work, leaving work at 5-6pm and getting not taht much.
So my estimation is that majority of people get about 1500-2000. |
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David
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| Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 6:09 am Post subject: Moscow |
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| Not sure how you could go to Russia and not hang out in Moscow for a week or two. Plenty to see and do there. If you get off the beaten paths youll be surprised by the restaurants and bars and other things you will find. you wouldn't want to miss it. Dave |
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