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Soviet · Just Starting Joined: 25 Nov 2004 Posts: 1

This year is the big holiday in Russia. This year we celebrate 60th
anniversary of victory in the Great Patriotic War. This war is also
known as the World War 2. The war which brought away 27-28 millions of
lifes of soviet people and millions of lifes of different nations of
europeans still an important issue of modern life and relationships
between countries. We pay honors to all veterans who fought German
nazism and sorrow all the victims. But on the other hand we are
proud of our grandparents who fought on the battlefields and worked
for the victory far away behind the front lines. We say them thanks
for defeating Motherland and liberating European countries from
Nazism. We will never forget our soldiers who never returned home from
europe and paid their lives for freedom of the countries they
liberated.
I expect you might have different opinions on this issue. Thus I expect
you to help me. I am writing an article about the war and would like to
learn what modern europeans think about this now so far the time
bringing us far away from the real events of thos days. Would you
please take your time and answer some of the questions below.
Please, share your opinion.Thank you very much.

1. Soviet Union played the main roll in the victory over nazis Germany.
2. Soviet Union paid the highest price for the victory in this war.
3. Communist party was the main power in USSR able to organise people
and resources to put them together to strike Hitler.
4. Thanks leadership of Stalin and the communist party our country
was able to go through the troubles of the war and bring freedom to
other nations of europe.
5. If not the USSR western allies would never be able to win Germany.
6. Country you're from and your age.

Thanks once again.

mister_wizzz · VIP Joined: 27 May 2004 Posts: 559

Eryk · Frequent Guest Joined: 04 Feb 2005 Posts: 42

>>1. Soviet Union played the main roll in the victory over nazis Germany.

True. Subject to the caveat that the USSR played a joint roll in starting the war in the first place by invading Poland on Sept. 17th 1939 as agreed with the Soviets Nazi allies.

>>2. Soviet Union paid the highest price for the victory in this war.

True in terms of absolute numbers killed but in terms of the proportion of the population then the Poles paid a higher price.

>>3. Communist party was the main power in USSR able to organise >>people and resources to put them together to strike Hitler.

Since the Communist party had spent 22 years exterminating all alternatives to itself it is self evident that it was the only organising force left.

>>4. Thanks leadership of Stalin and the communist party our country
>>was able to go through the troubles of the war and bring freedom to
>>other nations of europe.

You can't be serious!! Try telling the Balts, the Poles, Czechs, Hungarians et. al. that WW2 brought 'freedom'. The war brought freedom to western Europe and soviet occupation to eastern Europe. As for Stalin, he was responsible for the decapitation of the Red Army prior to the war thus fatally compromising it's ability to defend the USSR when the Nazis turned on their erstwhile allies. The 'leadership of Stalin' brought the USSR closer to defeat than any action of the Nazis could have done.

>>5. If not the USSR western allies would never be able to win Germany.

No. The Manhattan project would still have progressed at the same rate and Nazi Germany was nowhere near being able to replicate it. Also, Operation Sealion was a physical impossibility which would never have succeeded. The UK would have held out against the Nazis until 1945 at which point an atomic bomb dropped on Berlin would have ended the war in exactly the same way that such actions forced the Japanese to surrender.

Eryk

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1. Soviet Union played the main roll in the victory over nazis Germany.

A major role yes, main role, no. The defeat of Nazi Germany was a collaborative effort between the Allied powers and the incompetence of the Nazis including Hitler himself.

2. Soviet Union paid the highest price for the victory in this war.

Yes...true....but in population proportion, Poland paid the highest price. Half of the Polish people were exterminated and Warsaw was reduced to rubble and ash.

3. Communist party was the main power in USSR able to organise people and resources to put them together to strike Hitler.

Yes....but...The Communist party was the only power

4. Thanks leadership of Stalin and the communist party our country
was able to go through the troubles of the war and bring freedom to
other nations of europe.

Yes this is true for the first part, but I disagree with the second part. The Soviet Union did not bring freedom to Eastern Europe. Any Pole, Latvian, or Czech whom all bitterly hate Russians because of the experience would tell you it wasn't freedom that Russia brought.

5. If not the USSR western allies would never be able to win Germany.
Answer is the same as the first question, it was a collaborative effort which was helped by Hitler's & Mussolini's incompetence.

6. Country you're from and your age.
USA, 23

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rrHop · Just Starting Joined: 08 May 2005 Posts: 1

vorteks · Posted: Sun May 08, 2005 1:05 pm Post subject:

1. Soviet Union played the main roll in the victory over nazis Germany.
Bolchevics didn t choose to war nazis, they collaborated with them. How can you call this war "patriotic" while USSR is not a nation. Had bolcheviks chosen to fight nazis in 1939, the war would have been way shorter. Russians were still providing raw materials to germans one day before they got attacked.
2. Soviet Union paid the highest price for the victory in this war.
Statistially yes. With modern weapons, efficient strategy and regard for individual lives, the toll would have been way lower.
3. Communist party was the main power in USSR able to organise people
and resources to put them together to strike Hitler.
The same one that signed a treatee of non agression with nazis?
4. Thanks leadership of Stalin and the communist party our country
was able to go through the troubles of the war and bring freedom to
other nations of europe.
Freedom to annex half of europe or freedom to kill or deport local populations? Which country are you talking about? I can t see any country called USSR on a global map.
5. If not the USSR western allies would never be able to win Germany.
If USSR declared war to nazis in 1939 and didn t provide nazis with raw material they were lacking, millions of lives would have been spared, including russian ones.