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DavidC · Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 10:03 pm Post subject: Why?

This might sound like a naive question. But why would men travel 5000 miles from America to Ukraine or Russia for a sex tour? Aren't there enough prostitutes in their own home town?

vorteks · Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 10:46 pm Post subject:

Easy enough :

Prostitution is not legal everywhere is the US. Sex addicts are even penalised and hunted, police officers disguised like hookers offer their services and fine/jail them. Some customers are even getting publicised in local newspapers, like they were dangerous offenders.

In states where prostitution is legal (Nevada for example) services are very expensive ($500 and upwards) .

In an extremely competitive environment where individualism has led to a virtual war between sexes and constant sentimental instability (half of marriages end up to a divorce), there are very few oportunities for males to experience sexual satisfaction. They also don t have much free time (2 weeks a year) and some seek maximum sexual compensation over that short time.

A prostitute that has similar education and cultural codes percieves you much more profundly and doesnt look very exotic. Exotism is powerful sexual stimulant.

The top models advertising propaganda idealised young barby doll like slim lolitas and paradoxically with modern stressing life and hispanisation (americanisation) of the country, fewer and fewer girls fit those ideals. In eastern europe, barby dolls abound.

In merchandising terms, quality/price ratio is what drives dollars and euros to the slav sex market.

e · VIP Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 654

The law is also poorly enforced there. You can bribe and forge your documents your way around easily in Ukraine and Russia.

BTW the majority of sex touritsts are phedophiles who take advantage of the lax law enforcement to go after teenage girls and boys.

Not to mention it is dirt cheap to fly out there and stay in a hotel. From the UK to Eastern Europe for example:

www.ryanair.com

www.easyjet.com

You can go and come back on a weekend and spend less on everything that you would for a night with a hooker in Europe or America.

It isn't just Eastern Europe either. That place is actually new to it. Its been happening in SE Asia for years.

cyndy22 · Posted: Tue May 10, 2005 11:47 pm Post subject:

I don't doubt that this article has some truth to it. Just looking at the internet and seeing how many American and other foreign men go shopping for Russian and Ukrainian brides says alot. Young Ukrainian women can see these men as opportunities. Can't say I blame them. We all want nice comfy lives don't we in spite of naivety.

The fact that AIDS is a big public healtgh concern alone should get the Ukrainian goverment's attention to propose stronger laws but we all know that money is often more valued sadly than the health and welfare of its people.

Yes it is appalling that foreign men will go to ANY COUNTRY even their own, and act indecently. And those on so called vacations or scouting for brides, probably are far more loose and disrectful with women. Their attitude for example is similar to Winstons, i.e. I have spent this much money and have come so far, I am entitled..,.,

I don't think this problem has that much to do with visas etc. And btw E, you have ridiculed me for saying that I don't have a big problem with prostitution, yet in this post you seem to advocate for legalization. Maybe we do have something in common after all.

As far as dressing goes, Vic you are naive. Skimpy, sexy dressing on young women playing this f...ed up game does send sexual inviting signals. They might look and dress well for your perspective, think about men, especially losers. They are biting at the chump. And I dare say it doesn't take that much to get them to bite because these guys are desperate.

Mogsfan · WayToRussified Joined: 03 Nov 2004 Posts: 490

I don't think the majority of men going for their "tours" are going to visit prostitutes. I suppose those who fail might but.... Nah, they have the idea they can get YOUNGER or younger-looking women and you can't deny the idea of a 'foreign woman' being intriguing for some guys.

Then, you can add on all the stereotypes, the promoted theories which are also exploited by the marriage agencies alike and the media. One example of the media is a shot of Moscow when Russia is a topic. Each time a camera shows an area of Moscow, you often see some attractive women walking down the street.

I've already posted my perceptions about all this and suggested some theories. Anyway, perhaps, you can't generalize but you can always find someone who asserts the contrary. Ohhhhh vellllll...

Mogsfan · WayToRussified Joined: 03 Nov 2004 Posts: 490

Cyndy, no offense, but don't you think it's somewhat of a hypocracy to justify or overlook women latching on the foreign men for a so-called better life and then villify men who go to Russia for the purpose of finding a wife? I don't think one can have it both ways. It takes two to tango. I know some people will say how bad it is is Russia. Well, then, I am not sure that "prostituting yourself" is the answer. I try to see it from their point of view but I'm sorry, it just seems so superficial and pointless to me. If some rich Russian oligarch decided he wanted the girl, she would just as well take him, then, right? So, the issue is not that he's a rich American but that he's rich and choosing her, period.

I have read, however, that there is a cultural difference regarding morals, attitudes and behaviors. But, no one brought that up. So, I am assuming we are talking about selfish foreigners going to Russia with ulterior motives seeking a "wife."

Note, I'm just commenting, not claiming to be an authority.

I am well aware of the other side: of men of any nationality exploiting and using the girls. I cannot speak of them without showing contempt. But, i have no suggestions of what the Russian government should do regarding them and I have no knowledge of what the government's policy is either.

e · VIP Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 654

cyndy22 · Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 1:58 am Post subject:

Mogs,
I tend to agree that the majority of foreign men who go to Russia, Ukraine or other countries in specific pursuit of finding a bride are probably not primarily motivated by getting laid while in that country. That's a bonus isn't it. BTW, while I don't agree with all of your opinions and thoughts here, you appear to me anyways as perhaps the most honest, genuine and compassionate person on WTR that I have seen. I however am not quite sure what your personalo interest is here re Russia. Care to elaborate?

Mogsfan · WayToRussified Joined: 03 Nov 2004 Posts: 490

cyndy22 · Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 3:38 am Post subject:

Mogs,
You really should not be so harsh to condone prostitues or think they are bad people. What about the men who seek them out? And pimps etc.? Perhaps you are right and I was too generous in my compliments to you re your nature. While I do not necessarily think that prostituition is right, I am a realist. There will always be a market for this and right or wrong- this trade will be pounced on by a variety of both unfortunates as well as scammers

Mogsfan · WayToRussified Joined: 03 Nov 2004 Posts: 490

I am going to be posting less (a lot less) from now on. I just thought I'd answer this, though. Cyndy, I don't know if they are bad per se but what I meant, they become more indifferent, less caring and lose a lot of themselves, I think. I think it just happens for them to do what they do. Is one not cold-hearted (and have to feel indifferent) to provide sexual services for money? Obviously, the pimps, the organized crime syndicates and customers (although, some might just give in to hormones, having a mid-life crisis or have a lack of companionship) are cold-hearted and uncaring to utilize them as a money-making commodity.

e · VIP Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 654

vorteks · Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 8:49 pm Post subject:

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sputnik · Lounge Lizard Joined: 02 Jan 2005 Posts: 141

prostitution was legalised several years ago in holland. it was thought it would increase the state's control over the sector. there were many illegal and also underage protitutes behind the windows.

inititally the legalisation caused more problems than it solved: much of the illegal protitution moved to the underground and the windows in red light districts fell empty. prostitutes had problems acquiring bank accounts, insurance etc.

it seems to be going better now, but there is still a large underground prostitution scene next to the legalised one. it is there that most of the victim's of trade in women end up. not behind the windows.

cyndy22 · Posted: Wed May 11, 2005 11:36 pm Post subject:

Prostitution is a complex issue. We all know that. Since it exists and will continue to exist, right or wrong, why not legalize it as such they did in Australia where these working prostitutes have protection, they get tezsted for STD, can earn income independently of pimps and pay taxes.

I btw am not suggesting that young girls and women who become prostitutes are saints or don't have ulterior motives with for example foreign men with money. Everyone bears some degree of responsibility for their actions.