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Sex Tours- Your views of this Kiev Article
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kiwiguy_os
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Joined: 26 Dec 2004
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Location: Melbourne, Australia

PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 12:58 am    Post subject: Re: Why? Reply with quote

DavidC wrote:
This might sound like a naive question. But why would men travel 5000 miles from America to Ukraine or Russia for a sex tour? Aren't there enough prostitutes in their own home town?


Ever watch Jerry Springer? If you see what goes for a prostitute in the US you will instantly understand why they go abroad.
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kiwiguy_os
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 1:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyndy22 wrote:
why not legalize it as such they did in Australia where these working prostitutes have protection, they get tezsted for STD, can earn income independently of pimps and pay taxes.


One of the places (the Daily Planet) is even listed on the Stock Exchange.
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cyndy22
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There you go. It's all economics! Smile
BTW don't believe everything youy watch on Jerry Springer. It's called ratings. I don't know from a purely sociological point of view but I gather that the majority of prostituites in US as well as other countries are the disenfranchasized population. Tough luck, unfortunate familys and upbringing, and drugs and alcohol. Mental illness also factors in.
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Vic
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PostPosted: Thu May 12, 2005 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, as mentioned earlier, I don't know what the Ukraine can do to fix this issue, but what Russia must do is require Visas from several FSU countries like the Ukraine and Moldova (where most of the hookers in Russia come from...not to mention most of the illegal immigrants in general)
I really don't see many problems with the whole internet meetings deal. It is women here that cannot find a guy around here looking for a guy anywhere that is seeking a woman. It is not "mail order" or anything like that. That is the main mistake people tend to make - it is not easy at all to get one of them (Do not know about the Ukraine, as it is what this topic is about, I can only judge Russia). After all, there are more women than men here, so you cannot expect a certain percentage of the female population to live in loneliness untill death because they were not able to marry a Russian man.
Vic
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mister_wizzz
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 10:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyndy22 wrote:
Mogs,
You really should not be so harsh to condone prostitues or think they are bad people. What about the men who seek them out? And pimps etc.? Perhaps you are right and I was too generous in my compliments to you re your nature. While I do not necessarily think that prostituition is right, I am a realist. There will always be a market for this and right or wrong- this trade will be pounced on by a variety of both unfortunates as well as scammers


In poor countries, selling his boby is the only mean to survive, it is not a choice.
Poverty involve prostitution.
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MrSpice
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PostPosted: Sat May 14, 2005 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

People living in Los Angeles and San Diego can easy cross the border to Mexico (Tijuana is just 20 min drive from San Diego) where exotic prostitutes are abundant and cheap.
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blaked
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Location: Moscow

PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 4:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Sex Tours- Your views of this Kiev Article Reply with quote

Paul Holmes wrote:
Quote:
The coming summer sex boom

Paul Miazga is the Post’s senior editor.



Who is this guy? Who goes to Ukraine if they don't want pooooon-tang? I mean seriously, what other reason is there to go to Ukraine? The Caves Monastery? Evrovision? Maybe Orange is the new black and salo is the new sushi?

Seriously, though - women are sexier when they're desperate. I know and have dated self-confident business-women. It goes over among the male population like a lead balloon. As long as women continue to tattoo their skin, pierce themselves, dye their hair and speak their minds, there will always be a market for good ole' down' home no-strings-attached skank.

It's sad that women expect us to treat them like human beings, when the way we treat most human beings is we *ignore them.* With pretty women, sex is the only draw. The same thing is true of Ukraine - it should feel lucky to be a tourist destination at all. If it was an African country, most people wouldn't be able to find it on the map.

While we're on the subject, did you know that 50% of hookers in STP are HIV positive?
http://www.humanitarianaction.org/page.php3?page=24&line=5
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cyndy22
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blaked,
Nice job, you managed to insult an entire country (Ukraine), a continent (Africa), women and hookers in one post! Do they make human size blow up Barbie like dolls in Russia? I think that's your best shot and HIV negative too! Laughing
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Jutrzenkapolska
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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2005 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank God not all men are like the ones on this forum. Very Happy
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e
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2005 12:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Thank God not all men are like the ones on this forum.


Or the women...or human beings in general for that matter..... Laughing Razz

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Seriously, though - women are sexier when they're desperate. I know and have dated self-confident business-women. It goes over among the male population like a lead balloon. As long as women continue to tattoo their skin, pierce themselves, dye their hair and speak their minds, there will always be a market for good ole' down' home no-strings-attached skank.

It's sad that women expect us to treat them like human beings, when the way we treat most human beings is we *ignore them.* With pretty women, sex is the only draw. The same thing is true of Ukraine - it should feel lucky to be a tourist destination at all. If it was an African country, most people wouldn't be able to find it on the map.

While we're on the subject, did you know that 50% of hookers in STP are HIV positive?


Sex tourism happens everywhere worldwide. By your "logic" people shouldn't go to Amsterdam or Bangkok or Las Vegas except to chase tail or in Amstrerdam's case, smoke weed. Rolling Eyes Laughing

But blaked, I bet you wont say that to your significant other either, now wouldn't you..... Rolling Eyes
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cyndy22
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2005 12:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just curious E,
Why do you feel the need to respond to this post with not only a negative comment about women on this forum but others here as well? If you don't feel the company is up to your standards why are you here???

Mr. Wizz, Vorteks and others, sorry I had a weak moment! Surprised
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blaked
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Joined: 29 Dec 2004
Posts: 180
Location: Moscow

PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2005 1:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cyndy22 wrote:
Blaked,
Nice job, you managed to insult an entire country (Ukraine), a continent (Africa), women and hookers in one post! Do they make human size blow up Barbie like dolls in Russia? I think that's your best shot and HIV negative too! Laughing


Cyndy, why do you assume that I don't have anyone to have sex with? The human factor aside, Africa is a lovely continent in terms of wildlife. I think that Africa could have been as great as the US of A if Europe had done the same thing there that it did in North America (i.e. kill all the savages or give them the measles and sell them alcohol so that they could drink themselves into oblivion.)

To be fair, I've never visited Ukraine, but everyone I've met from there seems glad to have left. My ethnically Ukrainian friend described it as "a giant ghetto full of ugly housing projects, rats and stray cats where you can buy sex for a bottle of vodka, and not even name brand vodka." Her dad (who got his PHD studying ethnic music in Eastern Slovakia) claimed that it was among the most nasty places he'd ever visited. I think I remember him saying "Ukrainians will say Kiev is like Moscow or Paris. Kiev is shit. My wife and I visited a woman and had to grope for her door in her apartment building because someone would steal the bulb whenever they put a new one in the hallway." He also relayed an experience of how he was drinking with his 80+ year old mother and their relatives offered him AND HER someone to fuck for the night. Now that's hospitality!


E - I've never been to Ukraine! I'm sure it's in the cards, and I hope that I can get there before it gets too commercial like Istanbul!
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cyndy22
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2005 4:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blaked,
I did not assume you did or do not have a female companion for sex, romance, intimacy etc. In fact I hope you do and that you and she have good relations above and beyond sex. Smile

I like your humour about Africa, Europe and conquering savages etc. It's twisted humour but I like that too.

But I do think besides women, Smile you are rather prejudice about Ukraine. You admit that you have never visited this country. I hear Kiev and other areas are beautiful. In fact, while Ukraine may not be a big tourist destination, so be it. Tourism is over rated. Also, every country has both beautiful and ugliness. I have friends in Ukraine and have met others who immigrated from Ukraine to US. Their stories of their homeland are sincere just as these people are. I am sure that Ukraine has its own unique beauty for those who are able to see.
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e
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PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2005 4:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Just curious E,
Why do you feel the need to respond to this post with not only a negative comment about women on this forum but others here as well? If you don't feel the company is up to your standards why are you here???


Why do you? We've had this argument before Cyndy about you and your negative irrelevant andoften insulting posts that don't belong in threads. I made it clear that i'm not going anywhere and I don't particulary care about what you and the 4 of your "friends" think. Nor what Vorteks Whizz and co think, especially since you don't get along with them either as they have problems and issues too. Maybe you should re-create your social life elsewhere.

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I've never been to Ukraine! I'm sure it's in the cards, and I hope that I can get there before it gets too commercial like Istanbul!




I hear Kiev is really nice as well as Sevastopol and Crimea as I too thought it was a bit unfair what you said about Ukraine. I really hope to go there really soon. I didn't think Istanbul or Ankara were that commerical compared to the virtual theme parks that London and Paris are for example
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blaked
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Joined: 29 Dec 2004
Posts: 180
Location: Moscow

PostPosted: Sat May 21, 2005 6:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cyndy,

I hate tourist places too! I felt so let down that I had to go to Turkey instead of Ukraine to get my visa this year. I have come to hate backpackers because so many of them are upper middle class kids with poorly construed pseudo-marxist ideas and absolutely no clue about real life. Sex tourists are usually dirty old men, and it's great to see people from the states when they aren't BSing each other about being Baptist or Catholic or Presbyterian. A lot of people really like Kiev, and I'm sure my friends were just in a poor, crappy apartment building, but you have to wonder how appealing Ukraine would be if it was black. I'm sure that people would still go to Crimea and Odessa on vacation. Lviv is said to be pretty in the way that Krakow is (they had more in common than not until 1940.)

It's just that there is only a limited amount of stuff that you can do in a place that is extremely poor if the only thing going for it is the tourist industry. I hope Kiev doesn't become like this; I hear that Havana is somewhat like this - consumer goods/services only come in two guages - 'Western' and 30 percent more expensive than you're used to or 'plebian' and only good for a short lived novelty. Security becomes very important as predators flourish. This is certainly true of Africa; tourists drive at great expense in armored Land Rovers to luxury hotels through populated cities with unsightly poverty.
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