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e VIP Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 654	Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 4:00 am    Post subject: Quote: I say we rename it to something more appropriate, like Way to the USA. Ironically Vic, Renwan, Dimitry are the only actual Russians who post here regulary. The majority of people on this board are Americans or American expats living abroad, or clueless foreign men who come on here posting crazy and stupid questions about Russian women.
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Jutrzenkapolska VIP Joined: 16 Sep 2004 Posts: 534	Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 4:50 am    Post subject: Dmitri doesn't post here regularly. I say we Americans do what we do everywhere we go and take over this board .
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spartacus Frequent Guest Joined: 03 Oct 2004 Posts: 76	Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 5:36 am    Post subject: Bagdad only has 10 hours a day of energy because before we took over, they had 24 hours and the rest of the country had 2 hours per day. We equaled it up, and are improving infrastructure daily. As far as Palestine is concerned, there never was a Palestinian country. What you call Palistine is mostly land purchased by the jews prior to WWII and land won in wars that the arabs started. The West Bank was Jordanian, and the Palestinians are such a pain in the ass that Jordan does not want them or it back. Gaza was Egyptian, and the same thing. The Golan Heights were Syrian, and they used it to attack Israel. At this point, Israel is entirely legitimate, especially for you lefties who seem to love the UN. You cannot have it both ways, slam the US for going against the UN, then mollycoodle the arabs who go against it. Regarding your somali teenagers, try to talk from fact, not out your rear end. They had years of militia and gang experience, and it is a fact that Al_Queda trained forces were involved as well. And vic, do you support the Nazi's then? You are willing to base your definiton of a terrorist on Nazi propaganda. Interesting. Jut, Americans invented the internet, our economy allows even many of our "poor" to have regular access to it, so it should not shock you that we dominate it. Note how EU taxpayers are going to have to pay to help the EU (a group of socialist countries) compete with just one US company(Google). That makes a statement.
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e VIP Joined: 23 Apr 2005 Posts: 654	Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 6:28 am    Post subject: Quote: Bagdad only has 10 hours a day of energy because before we took over, they had 24 hours and the rest of the country had 2 hours per day. We equaled it up, and are improving infrastructure daily. Playing semantics are we? We aren't discussing energy, we are discussing how the general quality of life in Iraq has deterioated since the invasion. Did you bother to read the articles? By your statement you are even acknowledging the fact that it has gotten worse since the invasion. BTW again did you read the charts? No one has equaled it up with anything. Quote: As far as Palestine is concerned, there never was a Palestinian country. What you call Palistine is mostly land purchased by the jews prior to WWII and land won in wars that the arabs started. The West Bank was Jordanian, and the Palestinians are such a pain in the ass that Jordan does not want them or it back. Gaza was Egyptian, and the same thing. The Golan Heights were Syrian, and they used it to attack Israel Again you, like mister_whizz are just digging up nonsense out of personal opinion with no facts to support it. What wars did the Arabs start prior to WWII? Name them! Prove it! Fact: Israel was called Palestine before the Jews arrived Proof: Quote: Palestine (Latin: Syria Palæstina; Hebrew: פלשתינה Palestina, ארץ־ישראל Eretz Yisrael; Arabic: فلسطين Filasṭīn) is the region between the Mediterranean Sea and the banks of the Jordan River, plus various adjoining lands to the east. Many different definitions of the region have been used in the past three millenia (see also definitions of Palestine). n European usage up to World War I, the name "Palestine" was used informally for a region that extended in the north-south direction typically from Raphia (south-east of Gaza) to the Litani River (now in Lebanon). The western boundary was the sea, and the eastern boundary was the poorly-defined place where the Syrian desert began. In various European sources, the eastern boundary was placed anywhere from the Jordan River to slightly east of Amman. The Negev Desert was not included. Under the Sykes-Picot Agreement of 1916, most of Palestine was envisioned as an international zone not under direct French or British colonial control. [1] (http://www.dartmouth.edu/~gov46/sykes-picot-1916.gif) Formal use of the English word "Palestine" returned with the British Mandate. Between 1920 and 1922, Palestine was defined by the San Remo Conference as the area bordered by the Mediterranean Sea, Lebanon, Syria, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and a short stretch of Red Sea coastline between the latter two. Read all about it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_%28region%29 Quote: especially for you lefties who seem to love the UN. Was it not you who said: Quote: He was shooting at UN planes that were patrolling, among other things. That is indisputable, and alone is plenty of reason for us to be there. and here again: Quote: The US and UK planes were enforcing the no fly zones per the cease fire treaty that Iraq signed with the UN, therefore these planes were on UN missions, making them UN forces at that time. That sounds like love for the UN too. Even though you essentially made all that up just like what the US did. Quote: Regarding your somali teenagers, try to talk from fact, not out your rear end. They had years of militia and gang experience, and it is a fact that Al_Queda trained forces were involved as well. There is no hard evidence to support what you are saying unless you have proof that i'd love to read. Oh where is that proof??? Quote: You are willing to base your definiton of a terrorist on Nazi propaganda Your definition sounds a lot more like Nazi propaganda more than anything. Where did YOU get yours from? Quote: Americans invented the internet, Actually a Swiss scientist "invented" the internet as we know it today: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet Quote: The collective network gained a public face in the 1990s. In August 1991 Tim Berners-Lee publicized his new World Wide Web project, two years after he'd begun creating HTML, HTTP and the first few web pages at CERN in Switzerland. A few academic and government institutions contributed pages but the public didn't begin to see them yet. In 1993 the Mosaic web browser version 1.0 was released, and by late 1994 there was growing public interest in the previously academic/technical internet. By 1996 the word "Internet" was common public currency, but it referred almost entirely to the World Wide Web I advise you spartacus, " try to talk from fact, not out your rear end". So far you've sprouted nothing but personal BS and opinion and not once iota of hardcore fact that is supported by anything. BTW what does this have to do with Russia?!?!?
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Jutrzenkapolska VIP Joined: 16 Sep 2004 Posts: 534	Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 6:44 am    Post subject:
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spartacus Frequent Guest Joined: 03 Oct 2004 Posts: 76	Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 10:09 am    Post subject: e wrote: Quote: Bagdad only has 10 hours a day of energy because before we took over, they had 24 hours and the rest of the country had 2 hours per day. We equaled it up, and are improving infrastructure daily. Playing semantics are we? We aren't discussing energy, we are discussing how the general quality of life in Iraq has deterioated since the invasion. Did you bother to read the articles? By your statement you are even acknowledging the fact that it has gotten worse since the invasion. BTW again did you read the charts? No one has equaled it up with anything. DUH, pay attention. Saddam kept 90% of the people in the dark to provide 24/7 power for bagdad and tikrit. The Provisional authority made it more even and more accessable to the masses. Just because saddam's loyalist have less power does not mean the bulk of the country did not get more. Quote: As far as Palestine is concerned, there never was a Palestinian country. What you call Palistine is mostly land purchased by the jews prior to WWII and land won in wars that the arabs started. The West Bank was Jordanian, and the Palestinians are such a pain in the ass that Jordan does not want them or it back. Gaza was Egyptian, and the same thing. The Golan Heights were Syrian, and they used it to attack Israel Again you, like mister_whizz are just digging up nonsense out of personal opinion with no facts to support it. What wars did the Arabs start prior to WWII? Name them! Prove it! Prove what, that the arabs attacked the jews in the 40's, 50's 60's and 70's? Go open a freaken history book!!!!! Fact: Israel was called Palestine before the Jews arrived .... Wikipedia is not not exactly the worlds authority on anything. Bujt even then you have to have the intelligence to know what you are looking for. There never was a palestinian nation, period. Yes, it was called palestine, just like the Negev desert was called the negev. That does not mean there was a country called negevia!!! Who was the president or king of this fantasy Palestine? Back in the 30's, the jews were referred to as Palestinians!!!! Quote: especially for you lefties who seem to love the UN. Was it not you who said: Quote: He was shooting at UN planes that were patrolling, among other things. That is indisputable, and alone is plenty of reason for us to be there. and here again: Quote: The US and UK planes were enforcing the no fly zones per the cease fire treaty that Iraq signed with the UN, therefore these planes were on UN missions, making them UN forces at that time. That sounds like love for the UN too. Even though you essentially made all that up just like what the US did. No, the UN is a POS. But if you internationalist types love the UN so much, you should have found that a good argument. Quote: Regarding your somali teenagers, try to talk from fact, not out your rear end. They had years of militia and gang experience, and it is a fact that Al_Queda trained forces were involved as well. There is no hard evidence to support what you are saying unless you have proof that i'd love to read. Oh where is that proof??? I found this in 30 seconds: http://www.infoplease.com/spot/terror-qaeda.html But those of us who pay attention knew this at the time. Maybe you spend too much time watching survivor instead of the McNeil/Lehrer News Hour. Quote: You are willing to base your definiton of a terrorist on Nazi propaganda Your definition sounds a lot more like Nazi propaganda more than anything. Where did YOU get yours from? My definition is the common one, and is part of international law. How can you say mine sounds like Nazi propoganda when vic actually uses the Nazi's as a reference? Obviously facts don't interest you. Quote: Americans invented the internet, Actually a Swiss scientist "invented" the internet as we know it today: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet Quote: The collective network gained a public face in the 1990s. In August 1991 Tim Berners-Lee publicized his new World Wide Web project, two years after he'd begun creating HTML, HTTP and the first few web pages at CERN in Switzerland. A few academic and government institutions contributed pages but the public didn't begin to see them yet. In 1993 the Mosaic web browser version 1.0 was released, and by late 1994 there was growing public interest in the previously academic/technical internet. By 1996 the word "Internet" was common public currency, but it referred almost entirely to the World Wide Web Ever hear of DARPA net? The Darpanet is the backbone and the start of the internet. It linked universities and the govt together, and it was made available to the public. Get a grip. People who are not morons don't need links to know this. But here you go. I suggest you give up on wikipedia. Just because the new graphical interfaces made the internet more accessable to the moronic masses does not mean it "is" the internet. http://www.albany.edu/ltl/using/history.html . I advise you spartacus, " try to talk from fact, not out your rear end". So far you've sprouted nothing but personal BS and opinion and not once iota of hardcore fact that is supported by anything. BTW what does this have to do with Russia?!?!?[/quote] So far I have stated several facts, the US invented the internet, there never was a palestinian country and saddam violated the cease fire agreement. You cannot prove me wrong, and why would you stake so much in lying about it? As far as your claim that Iraq ia worse off now, well, you are an incurable America hater to come up with something like that. I don't know how far back I would have to go to counter this much ignorance and bias, as if it matters, I suspect that your entire ego hinges on your politics.
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vorteks VIP Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 571 Location: European Union	Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 1:52 pm    Post subject: Jutrzenkapolska wrote: Where's that incomprehensible, obnoxious loudmouthed demagogue Vorteks when you need him?! I'd like to unleash him on Spartacus. Gone paragliding Next panic paranoid alert on the white house, check for my wing Edited : at 4 30 am most likely gliding in a very oneiric atmosphere
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vorteks VIP Joined: 08 Aug 2004 Posts: 571 Location: European Union	Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 8:37 pm    Post subject: This is a topic about Putin...This sums up my position about him : http://www.foreignpolicy.com/story/cms.php?story_id=2757&popup_delayed=1 If I can humbly give you an advice, you both should continue this conversation here : http://www.bushflashforum.com/
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spartacus Frequent Guest Joined: 03 Oct 2004 Posts: 76	Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 9:42 pm    Post subject: The problem is, everytime someone calls someone evil (like putin), a bunch of a$$wipes start bashing the US. Like rat terriers barking at a rottweiler. The rottweiler thinks it's beneith him to bite the little bastard back, so the rat dog gets his ego gratified in thinking he is tougher than his station allows. I'll give up on this, until the super secret milita alert comes out saying it's time to start exterminating liberals.
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spartacus Frequent Guest Joined: 03 Oct 2004 Posts: 76	Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 9:55 pm    Post subject: vorteks wrote: .../ Your sig shows what is seriously wrong with liberal thought. That sort of thinking, if it were more common, would give us a smothering world government. I think most in the EU resent the US because we have it much better, and to deal with your inferiority you bash us, as you lack the moral fiber to bring your own countries up to our level. Instead you seek to bring us down to yours. Europe has suffered from a brain drain to the US, so we shouldn't be suprised that your populations seems so stacked with dopes. It is morally wrong and mentally weak to refuse to say one country is better or worse than others. Funny how the US is so hated by so many people yet it it the top goal for people who want to leave their own country. Me, I don't take credit for how awesome the US is, but I am very thankful that I was born here, and I see the advantages. There is nothing wrong with that.
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Jutrzenkapolska VIP Joined: 16 Sep 2004 Posts: 534	Posted: Sun May 15, 2005 11:33 pm    Post subject: As Puskin said, you can hate your country head to toe but a foreigner better not share your feelings.You and I have the right badmouth our country all we want but they have no right to agree with us.
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cyndy22 Lounge Wizard Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 1076 Location: massachusetts	Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 1:00 am    Post subject: But really I am not bad mouthing my country. Quite the contrary! As far as I am concerned the US is the leader of freedom and democracy. BTW Mr. Spice's book reccomendation as I am finding out is excellent- The Case for Democracy by Natan Sharansky.
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Jutrzenkapolska VIP Joined: 16 Sep 2004 Posts: 534	Posted: Mon May 16, 2005 2:27 am    Post subject: But if you were, I wouldn't be offended, just as I'm not offended by any of Michael Moore's movies or books.Lars Von Triers's movies however .
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Rick Moderator Joined: 04 May 2005 Posts: 854 Location: Касабланка	Posted: Tue May 17, 2005 12:51 am    Post subject: Ok, guys. On your own request. I cut the post from the point where it developed into personal attacks only. You can continue the fight in the following place: http://www.waytorussia.net/TalkLounge/viewtopic.php?t=2908 Or you can discuss the topic of this thread over here. Or both.. If you don't like the title i have given to the new subject, i suggest the first poster in it, e, makes up a new one.
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blaked Lounge Lizard Joined: 29 Dec 2004 Posts: 180 Location: Moscow	Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 3:26 pm    Post subject: Jutrzenkapolska wrote: But if you were, I wouldn't be offended, just as I'm not offended by any of Michael Moore's movies or books.Lars Von Triers's movies however . Moore is a bit of a smug fattie, and LVT's movies are more than a little dry at times. I like what he's trying to do, but he'll never be Passolini.
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