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DennisF
Lounge Lizard
Joined: 05 Nov 2004
Posts: 97
Location: Texas
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 Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:16 am Post subject: very bad, sad, and unnecessary |
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 I too came here for information and to learn about Russia and things Russian as I prepare to adopt a Russian orphan. I found information and along the way I also found some helpful and decent people that I now count as friends. I too have noticed that the quality of interaction has deteriorated greatly. Initially, I didn't quite know what to think of Uday and his posts, but they were humorous for the most part. Then Zemanova came on board and, while I didn't agree with a lot of what he posted, he did write with intelligance and wit before he left the site. I have watched as Brandel, Dr. Fauste, and now Randy all left or considered leaving this site due to the atmosphere of confrontation and vulgarity that evolved. Instead of exchange of information and debate, now there is one flaming post after another with no one interested in what the other has to say. Some postersseem to "think" that if one can't communicate rationally and lucidly, then "shouting" and namecalling is interchangeable with civility. I think this thread shows that it is NOT acceptable to some of us.
To Dmitri, I think you have an unenviable task here. I wish you you luck and wisdom.
To Alice, you have been a voice of calm and reason in the midst of a storm (moderator par excellance)
To those of you whom have exchanged valuable info for my benefit, THANK YOU!! 
To Randy, Brandel, Uday, Cyndy, Luba, and especially the good Dr. Fauste, I hope we can continue to be friends and continue to visit whether it is here on WTR or elsewhere.
I will continue to monitor this site occasionally, but many of you may have hoticed that the volume (quantity, not loudness) of my posts has diminished. That is because, like many of you, I do not not enjoy the vulgarity, insulting comments, and narrow minded bigotry I have seen exhibited recently.
I will be visiting Russia in the next few months and will be much better prepared thanks to what I have learned on this site. Thank you. I will update you when I get my daughter home from the orphanage. Best wishes and may God bless you all. Dennis'F  |
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Dr-Fauste
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Joined: 23 Nov 2004
Posts: 654
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| Quote: | | I don't buy the 'chased potential posters away' theory. |
Is it freedom of speech or freedom of rude and vulgarity?
Mogs, I have been around here for almost two years. We lost a many good people like Brent, Wavessed, Randy, Tuller, Mountaingirl and more. THey all contributed with their heart. But Penderghast, Winston and etc have destroyed this this forum. You do not see Dmitri posting anymore. Dennis is great man , but we do not agree, but yet we can be friends. Cyndy is awesome and is someone that I can talk with and she will give me shit for being an idiot(frequent occurence). Randy is great guy and stands up for his beliefs. Mountain girl disappeared and yet she had a heart of gold. Tuller is happy than hell with his new wife, but got chased out by Uday's shitty comments.Even Spartacius is man of value though we differ on values. I am glad that I came here, but I am tired of Alexesis, Winstons, Kiwiguys, and Penderghasts. It is time for me to retire and leave it this forum to these assholes I will just be another dumbass asking about how to get to place from another.
Poka/Later Days
Paul
From the movie Suburbia "TR" |
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Dr-Fauste
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Joined: 23 Nov 2004
Posts: 654
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| Screw that , I will go lonelyplanet for advice or yahoo forums. Later days |
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AliceFromMoscow
WayToRussified
Joined: 10 Jul 2004
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| sad.... sad.... |
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castilho
Frequent Guest
Joined: 20 Mar 2004
Posts: 71
Location: Sao Paulo - Brazil
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| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 4:15 pm Post subject: folks |
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| You're both 100 % right, Randy and Dr. Fauste and Denis. The level is going down. But why you and not 'them'? Where I'm gonna looking for russian informations? Anyways, I'll keep supporting Camrade's team, Zenith, from Pete. The last one turn off the airport's lights. |
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mediashark
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Joined: 04 Nov 2004
Posts: 1599
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Come on guys, I'm sure we can sort this mess out if we all stick around... the good guys need to outnumber the W and W Wannabes.
There is a difference between free speech and cheap talk. Some people seem to be engaging in the latter lately... |
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Dr-Fauste
Site Admin
Joined: 23 Nov 2004
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Are we talking about your skill level as you being a moderator!!
| Quote: | | Come on guys, I'm sure we can sort this mess out if we all stick around... the good guys need to outnumber the W and W Wannabes. |
You think that is problem. WW was here since March and it was bad, but this unmoderated forum and inactivity to ban people for being racist, ignorant and vulgar. |
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mediashark
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Joined: 04 Nov 2004
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| Posted: Wed Jan 26, 2005 8:01 pm Post subject: |
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You think that is problem. WW was here since March and it was bad, but this unmoderated forum and inactivity to ban people for being racist, ignorant and vulgar. |
Of course I think that is the problem, but not the only problem--the other one being the point your brought up. As far as I remember, the unmod' forum was created to keep the racist, ignorant and vulgar in one place. For the rest of the forum, rules have to be enforced because people are trying to look for information and seek out useful advice. There is a place for everything. |
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cyndy22
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Joined: 15 Oct 2004
Posts: 1076
Location: massachusetts
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| Instead of peoiple leaving this forum, can't we just ignore any posts that are particularly offensive and stupid. The silent treatment will probably chill out certain types who sicken this site with their hatred and prejudice. The good people should and shall prevail. |
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Mogsfan
WayToRussified
Joined: 03 Nov 2004
Posts: 490
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| Quote: | | nstead of peoiple leaving this forum, can't we just ignore any posts that are particularly offensive and stupid. The silent treatment will probably chill out certain types who sicken this site with their hatred and prejudice. The good people should and shall prevail. |
Alas, cyndy, people don't seem to be able to do this. If you search my posts, I recommended doing just that. But, no one has common sense?!? I think Alice wanted to give people the opportunity to speak their mind even if 'crazies' post. I think it was acceptable to move those kinds of posts to an 'unmoderated' forum. Perhaps, Alice, you should have a more specific disclaimer. Posts that may offend are not necessarily the opinion of other guests or moderators and that a particular forum is available for speaking one's mind? I can understand why some posters have complained and blame certain posters (thus, desiring deletions of certain posts). But, where do you draw the line? How is Alice and WaytoRussia to decide which posts to delete? What is one allowed to post and say?
If I leave, it will not be a result of certain posters. It would be because I also cannot contribute much and since I don't know when I can/could visit Russia. But, I won't whine about it. |
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Mogsfan
WayToRussified
Joined: 03 Nov 2004
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| Quote: | | Is it freedom of speech or freedom of rude and vulgarity? |
Hmmm.... What one finds rude, another might find art. I go by the rule that something is permissable until there is a definite and unarguable possibility of harm. If someone posts inciting violence against Russians or Americans, for e.g., that is not freedom of expression for obvious reasons. But, if they want to explain their problems with someone or a group of people, then all means, do so, but that doesn't mean you have to read it and reply your displeasure. A lot of people in forums have no outlet for voicing their problems, troubles and concerns so they utilize the choices online. If you don't like it, don't reply because they might not even be interested in your p.o.v. They just like to argue or garner responses. When I notice that's the case, I totally ignore it. They will ultimately go away in frustration. But, too many people are baited in. |
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brandalpayne11
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Joined: 09 Sep 2004
Posts: 245
Location: NC, US
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| Mogsfan wrote: | | Quote: | | Is it freedom of speech or freedom of rude and vulgarity? |
Hmmm.... What one finds rude, another might find art. I go by the rule that something is permissable until there is a definite and unarguable possibility of harm. If someone posts inciting violence against Russians or Americans, for e.g., that is not freedom of expression for obvious reasons. But, if they want to explain their problems with someone or a group of people, then all means, do so, but that doesn't mean you have to read it and reply your displeasure. A lot of people in forums have no outlet for voicing their problems, troubles and concerns so they utilize the choices online. If you don't like it, don't reply because they might not even be interested in your p.o.v. They just like to argue or garner responses. When I notice that's the case, I totally ignore it. They will ultimately go away in frustration. But, too many people are baited in. |
The despairagement isn't over the fact t that people have to have an outlet to vent theor frustrations, but this is a place to obtain information & share same. Now granted, over the course of intermingling personalities there will inevitably times that we are at odds, but on that same token we should not be LOOKING for things to be at odds about.
And I would like to say that I am not preaching to anyone because I have been guilty of this also, but this is depressing me because I have grown close to the people here & i hate that some of us have left.
Anyone that reads this PLEASE TAKE IT TO HEART. |
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patrick_b
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Joined: 25 Jan 2005
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To everyone who thinks about leaving because of the behavior in the Unmoderated Forum:
DON'T!
You are the people I most want to talk to. As far as the childish behavior in this forum... just don't read it. I only had to read a couple posts to realize I needed nothing from the unmod section. If I get bored I'll take a peek, since it is the most active forum, but if I don't like it I stop reading it.
That is going to happen in any unmod forum. Something about giving typical Americans any degree of anonymity that turns them into assholes (Side note: I know that is a generalization/stereotype of Americans, the same thing I sometimes get on other people for -- but I'm American, I'm allowed to point out what morons my countrymen are). Same thing with driving here -- find the nicest guy you know, put him in a car in the freeway by himself, and chances are pretty good he starts driving hyperaggressively and yelling at the other drivers. I've long wondered what it is here that breeds this odd behavior; something in the social values parents here teach their kids (or rather, the fact that they don't teach their kids much in the way of social values these days), but I can't figure it out. I'm just glad it never infected me.
Come to think of it, it's not just limited to Americans. Maybe that's why I can't figure it out, maybe it's a human nature thing. Maybe unless you have been properly socialized you can never treat other people with any degree of respect. I don't know.
I do know this, though: Just ignore the unmod, though, and you'll be fine. |
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Mark
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It's just the internet,no need for people to get all worked up about nothing,like someone said it's simple just don't respond....
Jack it in if you can't hack.....
Unmod sections in forums are great ideas,if someone is gonna call some one a c**t then it's just childplay in my eyes....Imagine saying that to someones face.They wont cos they don't have the bottle..Take it witha pinch of salt.. |
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Rick
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Joined: 04 May 2005
Posts: 854
Location: Касабланка
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| Posted: Thu May 19, 2005 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Mark wrote: | It's just the internet,no need for people to get all worked up about nothing,like someone said it's simple just don't respond....
Jack it in if you can't hack..... |
Ignoring is a good strategy for individual users, but for keeping a forum sane, it would be a display of ignorance..
You simply can t expect everyone to react in the same ways to flames. To make the same judgments in placing their posts. Some level of intervention will always be needed to make the use of the forum more convenient and pleasant for the goodwilling users. |
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