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Jutrzenkapolska
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How about "How fortunate for leaders that men do not think" - Adolf Hitler  |
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traceymill
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| Posted: Thu Jun 09, 2005 7:13 am Post subject: |
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| e wrote: | This is just interesting that a loooong dead thread got ressurected into a topic that has nothing to do with the thread, the forum, or the website. 
In terms of Stalin, Bush, Iraq and etc, Mogsfan and Tracey are correct. Its more of an "eye of the beholder" issue than whats true or now. These two popular quotes comes to mind: "One mans freedom fighter is another mans terrorist" the second from Puskin: "The illusion which exalts us is dearer to us then ten-thousand truths." |
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Mogsfan
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Tracy, I agree with you 100%. I'm not sure why you thought the 'let's party" comment was referring to you at all. I was describing the attitude of the general populace. They are uninformed, foolish and tolerate too much.
I don't have time to say much more. Perhaps, I'll reply to the other posts later. However, I just wanted to a ask: were you supporting Kerry? I think he would have invaded Iraq as well. I think the Republicans and Democrats, in general, are too similar. Like you said, the entire system is bad and corrupt. The problem is very few people are willing to really take this scenario seriously and some are actually stubborn enough to refuse these pessimistic ideas. This goes for virtually every country. However, it is especially critical for such countries as the U.S. and Russia, to just name two.
Imho, your ideal method is futile. Those leaders above the system are too few and there is no chance for them. Money, corruption, power and the elitists (both business and political) will always obstruct and shoot down these moral leaders who have integrity. However, I think it's good to keep trying as you are doing. Bravo...
| traceymill wrote: | Well, first of all I think I should set the record straight. I was responding to the back and forth motion of the opinions of the previous postings regarding Stalin, Bush, and politics in general. I tend to believe the system as a whole is bad, as in corrupt innately. And yes, I can compare Stalin to Bush, on the fact that they led and still are leading (in the example of Bush), their countries based on a totalitarian and secretive goverment(not alike in MANY ways, but there are similarities that are a bit scary, take the comparison figuratively, NOT literally). Also, I am in no way advocating complacency and a "Let's party" attitude(I am not sure where the hell that came from!!), I am advocating the idea that instead of proving what country or leader is "bad" or "good"(there will always be two sides to EACH side, killing everyone who disagrees with your view is just getting you nowhere) lets try to advocate leaders that are attempting to be above the system, and take an ACTIVE role in the choices of our chosen leaders, instead of just bitching about them. I am anything but complacent, I am an active independant voter that considers questioning the authority and integrity of my leaders both nationally and internationally not just a right, but a God given responsibility.  |
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vettra
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| AliceFromMoscow wrote: | | Pavol you dont have any patriotic feelings... this is awful... this is disgusting... to speak in such way of your own home |
analysis:
1) Alice is Russian
2) Russians don't understand why patriotism is bad
One big reason America is great - the common understanding that tolerance of people's opinions is acceptable, even required, for the country to be strong. This tolerance (amongst other reasons) attracts the best and brightest, hence Americans invented almost everything. This comes from the English roots, a country that is also unusually strong, especially factoring the relatively small (55M) population and lack of natural resources. However America inherited UK people's schizoprenia which leads to American's piss-poor ability to make strong friendships with each other.
"Patriotism" is a bad emotion, like greed, envy, hatred. It provides a blanket excuse for guys to form large, organized thug groups called "armies". The result is humans kill humans. Although same-species killing occurs (eg, lions), this is rather the exception amongst life forms.
если ты патриот, тогда ты звер. You need to subdue and control "patriotism" if you consider yourself a civilized human.
A friend in Mexico characterized Mexicans as 'a pole, where each Mexican tries to climb on top of the other Mexican's head to reach the top'. Although I find Mexicans to be one of the friendliest people and am perplexed by that remark, I find it true in Romania, most of Eastern Europe, and all the USSR countries including Russia. Probably true for most countries in the world. Russians don't understand that people don't need to be controlled (Нихто не имеет власт) and yet have a functioning society, in fact, one that is superior. |
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Jutrzenkapolska
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| Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:33 pm Post subject: |
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| You meant nationalism. Patriotism is good, nationalism is not. |
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