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vitalsigns
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| Quote: | I am not sure what democracy you are referring to. I do not think of democracy and a democratic society as something the way those tree-hugging, animal-loving ... cretins do. If it was up to them this country would have been robbed and abused by anyone. Look at what is happening in London. In a way it's a more liberal society than the US but when its security became vulnarable the raids followed one after the other. I am sure there are forces out there who scream: 'We can't profile everybody because of what happened to us.' Oh, yeah we will! All of a sudden authoritarianism has become ok.
America is at war and not by its own choice. The society cannot listen to the tree-hugging, animal-loving, missing the 60s and the 70s type of the crowd anymore. Sometimes authoritarianism is good and terribly needed. |
Looks like the Soviet mentality is still alive in some people. Even after you long left. Shame Shame..... 
Please refer my previous post regarding: dissent and difereing opinion is why the US is democracy and not authoritarianism and is a guarantee under our constitution. Left or Right would find that hard to disagree with.
BTW Brit goverment always knew and openly admitted that terror was going to happen and was pointless to stop, hence their security and government was geared for the aftermath and not prevention. |
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| vitalsigns wrote: | | I do not think that I still have the SOVKOVOE mentality. |
Sure you don't. Don't think, that is.
And I don't think you are in best place to judge. (Just trying to make it even easier for you to dislike dissent)
| vitalsigns wrote: | | I am happy that I live in the society where there's democracy. No doubt. |
Of course you are happy. Now, if only not for those silly tree-huggers, you could be even happier: down with ACLU, right?
| vitalsigns wrote: | | It just seems sometimes that when certain decisions need to be made NOW there are so many seeming "obstacles" that make it very hard to do. (appointing judges is one instance). |
Well, given that you kinda missed out on the opportunity to get pregnant at 16 when your b/f's condom broke, and don't have a daughter who could live through that adventure for you, I can see why you are in such a rush.
Me? I *do* have an "obstacle" - she's 7 now. So I'll wait, if you don't mind. |
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| Quote: | | I do not think that I still have the SOVKOVOE mentality. I am happy that I live in the society where there's democracy. No doubt. It just seems sometimes that when certain decisions need to be made NOW there are so many seeming "obstcles" that make it very hard to do. |
What obstacles and and decisions? I'm curious to know?  If these "obstacles" you state are people with differing ideologies than yours as you previously mentioned or "decisions" meaning implementing authoritarian controls as you would like that would contradict the laws, values of this country, then you still have very much a Sovok mentality.
And granted that you certainly have the right to your views and your opinions, but there is a fine line between imposing your views, which the constitution and the Bill of Rights prevents and what you want, versus, allowing the respect that I mentioned which is what the Constitution and the ACLU wants..... |
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| I like moderate republicans that stand for small government and lower taxes, but are pro-choice and do not support regilios right and what it stands for. |
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Vitalsigns, i'd rather just agree to disagree with you rather than to just get into an pointless dicussion with a close-minded nationalist that likes to hypocritically point out the problems the opposing side has that you more or less advocate yourself to varying degrees.
I just find it interesting that the russian emigres on this forum are conservatives with hardcore sovok mentalities with very simplistic understandings of life and realities in America. They should be more leftist as they tend to be the most idealist.
Once again and for the last time, if you did not vote for the president and do not agree with his policies as they do, once again, have the right to as voting US citizens that have that right guaranteed and protected under the constitution/Bill of Rights, it makes no sense to "helpful" to the president. That is what democracy is all about in my America --the right to freedom of expression and opinion, and not what it seems like it is to you: mindless loyalty and fealty to authority --something it seems you imported from the Soviet Union.
Might I suggest you read that document sometime instead of being so sovok about it.
BTW the correct definition of Authoritarianism
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=Authoritarianism%20
Characterized by or favoring absolute obedience to authority, as against individual freedom: an authoritarian regime.
Of, relating to, or expecting unquestioning obedience. See Synonyms at dictatorial. |
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Yes, deleted.
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| Don't argue with e - he will overwhelm you with irrelevant quotes and links. |
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Yes, deleted.
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I never said I was done talking to you. You at least know when to stop and that is a good thing.  |
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Yes, deleted.
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 Now you are making me blush. Thank you for a nice compliment.
I think you have good intentions and perhaps what you are trying to get across is just not coming out right.
Cyndy has no excuse. Some of the comments made from her tell me a WHOLE lot about her. I'm usually pretty good knowing who is in good character and who is not. |
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