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ruby2zdy
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 Posted: Wed Aug 03, 2005 10:59 pm Post subject: Alaska to Russia to Europe |
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What about the Trans-Siberian railway? Then you could buy a car once you get to where you're going. Or not. Of course, there is that sticky wicket about there being no ferry across the Bering Strait. SUMMER JOB OPPORTUNITY: Buy an old ferryboat that carries cars and run a line across the strait.  I suppose that would bring out the Homeland Security folks really fast. |
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drvannostren
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| Posted: Thu Aug 04, 2005 6:49 pm Post subject: Lol |
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This sounds fun as hell, driving to russia or whatever, but honestly i wouldn't even think about doing it. Especially in a Hummer, lots of Americans and even some Canadians feel so damn invulnerable in those stupid Hummers and just think cuz its "rugged" that a backroad/offroad in Tennessee or Washington is equivalent to the crap terrain i'm sure Siberia has to offer. I've never been to any part of Russia but i've seen and read lots of stuff you can't just cruise around Siberia safely either, bandits or whatever you wanna call them, and it's not like the American interstates where theres gas and food every 5-10 minutes. That being said, i was aggrevated by the post by magicjigpipe getting all upset, can you really be surprised that Russians don't really like Americans? If you said yes, then you really need to shake your head and check out something called the Cold War and the fall of communism. Anyways not only that but Russia isn't built to have well maintained interstate style highways because its too cold and rough for most of the year and i doubt the people in Siberia are crying out for major road improvements. So the government would be wasting money they don't have on roads they don't need.
Even though this topic is ancient, if nikos is reading it, take a train bud. |
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maxca
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| There are no bandits in Chukotka or Siberia really. I think the biggest problem is the cost. Also, there's tremendous difficulty in obtaining appropriate permissions from Russian authorities, and the lack of any sort of road infrastrcture between Chukotka and Khabarovsk, pretty much. But it has been done before, so it could be done again. |
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Intourist
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| Posted: Mon Aug 08, 2005 8:55 am Post subject: |
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Jesus, I love that people are still debating the cost after two pages of thread !
It's not possible. There's no bridge, folks. No ferry (certainly not a civilian one) that you can take.
As to whomever suggested crossing the Barring Straight and then hopping onto the Trans-Siberian: they're thousands of miles apart ! The Trans-Siberian goes through Khabarovsk and Vladivostok (and actually continues on to Nakhodka where it really and finally ends). Chukotka and Magadan are at least three to four hours away by plane.
How come we never hear about Russians asking about the train to Hawaii !???  |
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maxca
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Intourist, it has been done before. If I had unlimited financial resources and a couple of years of free time, I think I'd do it. OBVIOUSLY, it's not a drive, it's an expedition.
So stop bashing our dreams, and if you don't like this thread - don't read it. |
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Intourist
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| maxca wrote: | Intourist, it has been done before. If I had unlimited financial resources and a couple of years of free time, I think I'd do it. OBVIOUSLY, it's not a drive, it's an expedition.
So stop bashing our dreams, and if you don't like this thread - don't read it. |
What do you mean "it's been done before" Maxca ? How ? Was the car actually a submarine that submersed itself under the Barring Straights ? Was it one of those army cars that builds bridges ? Or did you mean that your 'unlimited finances' paid to ship the car over ? Because then it's not really 'driving from NY to Greece, is it, Max ? So, do tell, I'm all ears as to what was wrong with my comment above. I wasn't aware this was the "Let's Blow Smoke up The Original Poster's A*s" folder.
Take your own advice, Maxca, and if you don't like my post, don't read it ! |
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maxca
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One particular case I remember was a couple of heavy-duty off-roading trucks that have done a trip London-New York through Siberia and the Bering Strait. They crossed the strait in the winter when it freezes over. I believe it may have taken place 3 or 4 years ago... maybe more.
As I mentioned, those were heavy duty trucks by Kamaz or something, not Fiat Puntos. |
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Intourist
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Jesus Christ. If someone did cross it, Maxca, it was a scientific expidition or explorers or something. The region on either side (in the winter when it's frozen) is several thousand miles of frozen wilderness with no roads. The closest Alaska and Russia come to each other (i.e the strait's narrowest point) is like 25 miles ! So that's 25 miles of frozen ice to cross with no roads after several thousand miles of frozen tundra wilderness.
That's not to mention, Maxca, that there are no border entry points ! You'd probably be shot by Russian border guards if you actually were able to make it across.
So, back to my original point before you told me to stop bashing your dreams, no, someone hoping to drive from NY to Greece is not gonna be able to cross the Bering Straits, and a discussion of whether you get permission is kind of pointless unless you're an artic explorer.
| maxca wrote: | One particular case I remember was a couple of heavy-duty off-roading trucks that have done a trip London-New York through Siberia and the Bering Strait. They crossed the strait in the winter when it freezes over. I believe it may have taken place 3 or 4 years ago... maybe more.
As I mentioned, those were heavy duty trucks by Kamaz or something, not Fiat Puntos. |
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Rick
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Here.. These guys got halfway across. Have a look at their 'car'  The ice sheet on the Bering Strait might not be very stable, no doubt because of strong currents. It has a most nasty reputation and is notorious for it's icebergs.
Those fellows were not stopped by this though: bureaucracy did it.
http://www.cellar.org/iotd.php?threadid=1321
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maxca
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Hmm... it's just a debate, Intourist. No big deal. I'm not sure why you became so confrontational.
Anyhow, I think we should define what we mean by DRIVE from Europe to New York. Here's an example of an expedition, and I already said previously, it would be an EXPEDITION, you even quoted me saying that.
So, for example, in 93-94 Ford Maverick and Ford Mondeos, supported by Russian Ural 6x6 trucks, attempted to use a prototype amphibious tracked vehicle called an Arktos, to cross the Bering Strait, but when this failed the team were helicoptered to Wales, Alaska and their vehicles to Fairbanks.
Just a simple Google search would give you quite a few examples of such expeditions. Many millionaires are now doing extreme expeditions and adventures to get some thrills, promote their companies or names, etc. Steve Fosset and co. So as I said before, if I had lotsa money and lotsa free time, I'd attempt to do it. I'm not sure what's so offensive and crazy about it. |
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maxca
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| Good one Rick, I believe that expedition cost about 1 mil $. |
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Intourist
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| maxca wrote: | | Hmm... it's just a debate, Intourist. No big deal. I'm not sure why you became so confrontational. |
When I'm rudely told not to reply if I don't like it ? [Sign of frustration from Intourist]. Whatever.
Fine, go on talking about million dollar expiditions across the Bering Straits. |
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GoWest
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InTourist,
Why can t they be ferries from Alaska to Chukoka (?)
and than bus services from there to the train ?
I want to go to Moscow without having to take a plane.
We're so close to make that happen: link the two continents
once and for good.
Why are people not doing it ??
Cheers.
Cedric |
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wwwadim
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Location: Moscow Region, M-7 Highway, Noginsk
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| GoWest wrote: | InTourist,
Why can t they be ferries from Alaska to Chukoka (?)
and than bus services from there to the train ?
I want to go to Moscow without having to take a plane.
We're so close to make that happen: link the two continents
once and for good.
Why are people not doing it ??
Cheers.
Cedric |
There is no roads at Chukotka. At all. There are some temporary winter or summer roads, but you must have at least 4x4 vehicle, vezdekhod or monster truck. There would not be problem then.
Then even you want use 4x4 to drive through Chukotka to Magadan (the closest large town) you would spend about 3-4 weeks in Thundra. |
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GoWest
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Ok well,
I found a boat that travels Whittier (Alaska) to
PetroPavlosk (Russia) once a month.
6 or 7 nights though.
Better than nuthin.
Cheers,
Cedric |
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