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renwan
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 Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:43 pm Post subject: Back from North Korea |
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I am back from my 12 day trip to the DPRK,I stayed 5 days in China also.
The DPRK was awesome as usual, I toured Pyongyang,Nampo,Wonsan and Sinchon City and aslo took part in 3 International meetings.
Some of my friends toured the DPRK by bus from Mt.Paektu which is in the North to Pyongyang by bus,and then Pyongyang to Nampo(west) and from there to Wonsan(East).
2 thing to say:
1.Visit the DPRK if you can.
2.DONT GO TO CHINA! |
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mediashark
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Any photos to share? Travelouge?  Maybe some advice to us about visiting DPRK? |
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e
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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Welcome back Renwan! 
Why shouldn't we go to China?!?   |
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Odabo
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Location: Florida USA
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| Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2005 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: Bsck from North Korea |
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| renwan wrote: | | ... I stayed 5 days in China also. ... DONT GO TO CHINA! |
Ditto e's sentiments, what went badly, and where in China?
Also, You are in Ufa? Have you ever seen anyone in person using the Boot Runners invented at:
http://www.ugatu.ac.ru/
and production rights managed by:
http://www.ecomotor.ru
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renwan
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 8:09 am Post subject: |
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Ok,Imagine a country where when you are born you have not guaranteed,neither education nor even food...imagine a country that whoever disagreees with the government is killed,a country that everything can be bought with money,even slaves....a country that which to survive 13yr old girls sell their body, a country in which police is a corrupt force that will arrest/kill you for nothing...
well I ain't speaking about Africa,It's China!
Boycott Beijing 2008, No Olympics without Freedom!
Regarding the DPRK,I'll post my pictures once I find my USB cable :S |
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Odabo
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| Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:23 pm Post subject: |
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| renwan wrote: |
Boycott Beijing 2008, No Olympics without Freedom!
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Through the looking Glass.
http://www.sportslawnews.com/archive/history/HT11.htm
Sportslaw History: The 1980 Olympic Boycott
It was 20 years ago when international events would set the stage for the first-ever United States boycott of the Olympic games. The 1980 games were awarded to Moscow and many in the west feared that the games would turn to a propaganda show for the Soviets (as if that was the first time the Olympics were used in that manner). When the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, President Jimmy Carter pressured the United States Olympic Committee to boycott the games. He threatened to withhold funding, revoke the organization's tax exemption if it would not comply. Not surprisingly, it did. ...
Now the USA occupies Afghanistan. The same groups pimped by US media in 1980's as "Freedom Fighters" , now demonized as warlords & terrorists.
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2005/08/21/2003268589
US focuses on rights in N Korea
APPOINTMENT: After assigning a a special envoy to promote human rights in North Korea, the White House denied that it was timed to affect nuclear disarmament talks -- AFP , CRAWFORD, TEXAS -- Sunday, Aug 21, 2005,Page 5
"If the DPRK wants to enter the international arena ... it's got to ... consider the cost of admission, and part of the cost is that your human rights record will be looked at." -- Christopher Hill, top US negotiator with North Korea
US President George W. Bush on Friday named a former senior domestic policy aide, Jay Lefkowitz, as his special envoy in charge of promoting human rights in North Korea. ...
It's all Oligarchy to me; USA, China, Taiwan, North Korea, South Korea, Russia, anywhere and at anytime. After a shameful extreme for a long time, then you have painfull and nasty change, but just at the top. When US President Eisenhower left office he said " Beware of the military - industrial complex ". Clear and obvious warning, and a total waste of the man's breath ever since he left office. Do I over simplify, and am I fatalistic ? You bet, and I'm lazy too.
renwan - I wish you had interest in discussing UGATU - EkoMotor achievements, treatment of aluminum surfaces so they can be lubricated with water,Cylinder scavenging advances, interesting electric generator tech etc. Some scatered and vague ( understandable ) details at:
http://www.fips.ru/rospatent/index.htm
In search fields, plug in Inventor field ( just one at a time) :
Садыков Руслан Ильдусович
Зинов Денис Владимирович
Рудой Борис Петрович
Еникеев Рустэм Далилович
Вахитов Юрий Рашитович |
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renwan
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I'll look into that later, North Korea is not a human rights abuser,not like China,Russia or the USA.
There is no oligarchy in there and I can tell you,because I visited the entire country by bus and was allowed to do things that "normal toursists" dont do,such as walking alone at night in the city etc etc... |
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vettra
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well that's good news. I hope the 60 minutes stuff is more propanda than fact. good to keep us in the truth
I fully understand the life of a prisoner |
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MrSpice
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"normal tourists" don't go to North Korea to begin with...
North Korea is a poor tatalitarian country that hopefully one day will find it's way toward democracy...
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mediashark
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Spicy--the 'normal tourist' would like to go where other 'normal tourists' have not been! 
Say rewan, you were walking around alone at night... saw anything interesting? What's the nightlife there like?
Oh, any photos to share? |
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Camrade
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| Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2005 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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well, North Korea is an interesting place
so, I guess you have some photos to share |
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cyndy22
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Renwan,
We would love to see your pictures. What were the highlights of your trip and what disappointed you?
Comrade, Outside of St. Petersburg, where have you traveled? I am still disappointed we were not able to connect when I visited in June. BTW you owe me a better reason/excuse for not meeting us!
We came a long way, possibly a trip of a lifetime, contacted you, spoke with you in Piter, made mutual understandable arrangements, waited for you for one hour...???
I think we deserve an explanation.  |
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Mei-Nu
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how did you get into North Korea? I`d like to go there as well, since I`m living nearby anyway and it always seemed an interesting country to me.
what I think is a bit funny is that it seems from your posts that North Korea is such a cool country. do you think people over there are not put into prison without trial? are the people getting born over there are sure that they will be properly fed during the whole of their life? don`t think so...
I live in China, I know there are shitty things over here. I`m also against the Olympic games being held here (also because at this time some of the oldest hutongs in being are being pulled down to build the stadions). BUT China is a great country to travel in, you have everything over here: mountains, see, cheap beer,... the lack of freedom won`t hold me back to live here or travel, and I hope it won`t other people! |
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gonzock
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Renwan, are you kidding? If North Korea is a such a wonderful country, please go live there.
Mei Nu, in Beijing there´s a guest house near bar Poachers where they book tours to North Korea. Of course you will have a state guide so that you see what they want you to see. BTW, I´ve been 3 times in China and is a beatiful country and its people are amazing. I´ve met many people living and working there both from China and foreigners and they are very happy with the country and how it goes. Mei Nu, I also would like to travel to North Korea and is because probably is the only country in the world with no human rights. Renwan, how could you post that? Did they tell you to do that? |
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mister_wizzz
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| Renwan didn't visit the concentration camps, probably the North Korean officials told him it doesn't exist... |
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